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Old 11-28-2007, 02:42 PM
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Default Weird hand from 6k tourney in Sweden

6k tourney in sweden, 100 entrants
Start stacks 20k
Blinds 25-50, 1 hour blinds + slow structure

Opponent in this hand is Erik Friberg (8th place last years wsop)
This is 5th hand in the tourney and Erikīs been raising/playing every hand.

Erik 22k
Hero 20k

Folded to Erik in hijack who minraises for the first time to 100 I think for a while and make it 500 with
A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] from co. While Iīm stacking up chips for my reraise he tells me to not reraise too much.

He instacalls and flop is

Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Pot 1075

Erik instabets 1200

What is my line here?

Half the deck are scarecards and I know he wonīt hesitate to give me pressure on turn and river whether a scarecard comes on turn or not.

In cashgame and tourneys the stacksizes often arenīt deep enough that people bet out to the raiser in reraised pots without committing themselves so this was a new situation for me. I know or at least I think heīs really loose, what handrange can I put him on here?
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:31 PM
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call. next street.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:22 PM
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dont really like the reraise but i guess you're swedish and its not an issue

but yeah, call
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:28 PM
TJ Eckleburg12 TJ Eckleburg12 is offline
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Raise flop to 3500.

I realize you're up against an aggressive player, but I think raising is clearly better than calling.

We have room in our stacks for this... you need to define your hand and raise for information (and probably value). Our re-raise preflop helps our fold equity. If he flat-calls, we still have position on him for later streets.

This is a situation where we need to wield position.

I'm throwing up in my mouth if he 3-bets a flop raise, because that means he wants to play for stacks/put a move on us. However, he'd have to be REAL strong to be able to do that considering the aggression we've shown.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:36 PM
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dont really like the reraise but i guess you're swedish and its not an issue

but yeah, call

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This sounds like a hand from a Sweedish tournament. Doesn't it?

If Friberg has been raising every hand, it seems reasonable to reraise. AQo is not a really good hand with 400xBB, as the flop situation indicates.

I would just call the flop and generally call him down all the way if he keeps betting.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:14 PM
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you need to define your hand and raise for information (and probably value)...
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I'm throwing up in my mouth

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Old 11-28-2007, 07:49 PM
TJ Eckleburg12 TJ Eckleburg12 is offline
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you need to define your hand and raise for information (and probably value)...
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I'm throwing up in my mouth

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I can't tell if this is a favorable quote-without-any-new-ideas or an unfavorable one.

If it's unfavorable, I've yet to see any reasons at all that calling is better than raising.

I still think raising the flop is better than calling the flop AINEC.
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:08 PM
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raising is obviously stupid since we don't have enough of a read to be getting TPTK in for 400bb, so call.

pf is fine
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:15 PM
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I would have made it 400 preflop, but 500 is fine and not a big deal

Raising the flop sucks pretty hard
Call, next street??
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:27 PM
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you need to define your hand and raise for information (and probably value)...
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I'm throwing up in my mouth

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I can't tell if this is a favorable quote-without-any-new-ideas or an unfavorable one.

If it's unfavorable, I've yet to see any reasons at all that calling is better than raising.

I still think raising the flop is better than calling the flop AINEC.

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Why would you want to define your hand?

What range do you think that friberg will put the hero on after a pf reraise and a flop raise? What range do you think friberg will continue with if the hero raises the flop?

You are right by raising the flop we define our hand as AQ+ weighted more heavily toward AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AhKh. Friberg is not an idiot, why do we want him to put us on that range unless we are bluffing to get him off AA/KK (that is assuming that a raise will define our hand like you said)

Are you trying to make this hand easier to play or are you trying to get the maximum value?
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