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Old 10-30-2007, 12:58 AM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Because the guy who wrote it said it doesn't?

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Many of those who wrote it certainly did; many others disagreed. The plain text, however, is pretty clear cut; Congress a)can regulate taxes for b)general welfare. As I said, it's been ignored in favor of the commerce clause for nutty historical reasons, but the text is very very clear on this.

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and here i thought cali was burning from the hand of God.

the most unfortunate part of this whole thing is many will once again migrate into our area and commence their attempts at turning our Red State into a Blue. they did after the earthquakes back around '89 and they'll come again. we hate'em.

it'll be Brokeback Mountain all over again... dudes holding hands and swapping spit on the street corners, liberal professors and abortion lovers and yet more coffee shops.

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Who cares about the dead people and thousands of burned houses; the most unfortunate part of this whole thing is that you get to see two guys holding hands. What a disaster this must be for you [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 10-30-2007, 01:13 AM
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The general welfare, ie, the well being of the general population, not the peoples of california.
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Old 10-30-2007, 01:54 AM
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The general welfare, ie, the well being of the general population, not the peoples of california.

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I disagree with the "everybody or nobody" inference. Here's the full text:

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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

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Note the conspicuous exclusion of taxes from the requirement of uniformity. It seems very plain that Congress can set taxes at different rates for different places, favoring one area over another, so long as it is for the general welfare. Unless somebody wants to argue that disaster relief does not benefit the US at large - and such an argument would have to be made on economic grounds - it's clearly covered.
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Old 10-31-2007, 12:10 AM
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Because the guy who wrote it said it doesn't?

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Many of those who wrote it certainly did; many others disagreed. The plain text, however, is pretty clear cut; Congress a)can regulate taxes for b)general welfare. As I said, it's been ignored in favor of the commerce clause for nutty historical reasons, but the text is very very clear on this.

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and here i thought cali was burning from the hand of God.

the most unfortunate part of this whole thing is many will once again migrate into our area and commence their attempts at turning our Red State into a Blue. they did after the earthquakes back around '89 and they'll come again. we hate'em.

it'll be Brokeback Mountain all over again... dudes holding hands and swapping spit on the street corners, liberal professors and abortion lovers and yet more coffee shops.

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Who cares about the dead people and thousands of burned houses; the most unfortunate part of this whole thing is that you get to see two guys holding hands. What a disaster this must be for you [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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that ain't the half that's bad. those fleeing cali for tax reasons and for raising their kids in a better environment are moving to and buying up the mountains in our area. then they protest hunting and don't want to allow people access to the public lands behind them which they locked up to keep us out and their "wilderness" pristine. like the wilderness becomes theirs once they register as democrat in the County. then they come to town with their "petitions" to thwart economic development because they "left the big city and want to keep life simple here" and don't want an industry moving in to spoil their view. then they desire a bistro on main street and get a cilinary friend or two to move in behind them to open one up, and within two years of that we have a starbucks in town.

i'm all for cali staying green believe me, and the mountains here staying free. we have fires all the time but don't sweat it. in fact i drove through one today in Sundance, WY and we don't move to your neighborhood forcing our views and lifestyles onto your main streets.

now i hear there is a 5.6 quake in nocal. nocal i can live with. they do their thing and leave it at that. we do our thing and leave it as such as well.

i think it's ironic that a State and populace that despises the military and National Guard as much as they do publicly now cry out for the National Guard to "help" them.

carpe diem.

EN
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