Tourney situation. Omaha version of classic Holdem AA question

[chucky]

I was getting it in with best of it repeatedly against big stacks. Big stacks were playing small pairs in raised pots, and unsuited hands. 5 hands earlier I reraised big stack's initially raise to put myself allin with acjckk, and it held up on js2s5h5c8s board versus big stack and this hands villian, so I had plenty of chances to get in it with the best.

[Bavid Denyamine]

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do you want to win the tournament or squeak into a 20some dollar profit?

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[RoundTower]

If you had like 1000 chips to start the hand, maybe you could fold to the money because you have so little chance of first. Here getting a 42k stack gives you a great chance to do well in the tourney, you have to take this shot.

[chucky]

I guess my point that I have at least 4 more shots to put in with best of it against insane donks doesnt resonate with anyone. I have noticed that almost all the posts are cash game posts, does anyone actually play tourneys online? I ask because this was an unlimited rebuy/addon tourney, and I saw endless shoving with overpair no redraw, and other horrible plays.

For instance, during the second hour of tourney i potted from button with 99tt ss for 1/3 my stack. flop came k3t rainbow. big stack checks, i shove allin. He calls with t256 ds, essentially drawing dead.

[Phanekim]

I am chuck's friend. You have to give credit to chuck because he played this 5.50 6 - handed on stars w/o rebuying or adding on. Prize pool is 3,395 dollars with 933 going to first.

Opponents' hand was: Ad Kh 7c 6s

I am partly to blame as well because we were having this very discussion on aim whether to go forit on bubble with aces. I was just discussing with him where i said,


charles (12:16:27 AM): in omaha
charles(12:16:31 AM): you can fold aa
charles (12:16:34 AM): on bubble
Phanekim (12:16:36 AM): haha
Phanekim (12:16:38 AM): with ease
charles (12:16:45 AM): akq2 ds
Phanekim (12:16:50 AM): actually
Phanekim (12:16:57 AM): u can make arguement other wise
Phanekim (12:17:07 AM): unlike in holdem
Phanekim (12:17:11 AM): your raise means obvious
Phanekim (12:17:12 AM): aces
charles (12:17:16 AM): not here
charles (12:17:37 AM): aads
Phanekim (12:17:52 AM): he could fold
Phanekim (12:17:54 AM): if u repop him
Phanekim (12:18:08 AM): he's been seatling
charles (12:18:37 AM): yep
Phanekim (12:18:51 AM): that was unbelievable

Haha...just thought i'd add this in...personal flavor chuck :P.

Btw, the retard was like at 60k...within 1 minute he was down to 25k.

[Troll_Inc]

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I am chuck's friend. You have to give credit to chuck because he played this 5.50 6 - handed on stars w/o rebuying or adding on. Prize pool is 3,395 dollars with 933 going to first.

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I'm not sure which one of you is a bigger chucklehead.

you - why give credit to someone playing a rebuy tournament incorrectly?

chucky - for playing a hand incorrectly into a tourney, so you can "fold" into the money.

[iggymcfly]

Go to the hold'em MTT forums and ask if you should fold knowing you're going to be a 2:1 favorite with a slightly below average stack on the bubble. The answer is absolutely not. The payouts for just cashing are always pretty inconsequential compared to those at the final table for any kind of MTT.

Also, never ever skip the add-on. You're getting more chips for the same price as your initial buy-in. If it was worth it to buy 1000 chips for $5, how can it not be worth it to buy 1500 for the same price? (Guessing as to the starting chip stacks and add-on for this tourney. Have no idea what the actual numbers are.)

[Phanekim]

I know it was incorrect. He was just goofing off. Thats why I gave him credit, I didn't think he'd get far at all. Neither did he...thats why it is so classic. hah.

[Silent A]

Folding in these situations should be saved for one of the following scenarios:

1) you're on the bubble in a super satellite (1st place = 24th place)

2) you entered a tourney that is worth a significant % (say 20% or more) of your bankroll and squeaking into the money will give you a lot of money by your standards, and you'll go tilty if you lose. (of course, you shouldn't be playing this tourney in the first place).

Also, let's get something clear about the EV of folding vs pushing. At this stage of the tourney, your chip value is still very close to your $ value. Based on the prize pool, the total # of chips in play should be very close to 1 million, so the final 24 will have an average of around 40k chips. As such your 20K stack is worth about $60 and a 43K stack is worth about $130.

The EV of a push is, assuming 2/3 equity, is:

EV = (2/3)*130 - 60 = $27

In order for this to be a -EV play, the $ value of a 43K stack must be only 50% more than a 20K stack. There is absolutely no way that this is the case here.

[chucky]

I understand the general opinion. I just wanted to see, given the endless juicy situations in this tourney, if folding away one opportunity was correct. I hope everyone reads phanekim's post. villian shoved ak76 rainbow.