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#791
05-10-2007, 12:56 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] - I argue that the reason all of the data is so similar is that he is playing on all of them. Think about this: Take 400k hands and split them up into four 100k chunks. Won't the data for each of these 100k hands be very similar to each other? [/ QUOTE ] But VPIP, which should obviously be identical across the board, is statistically different between the 4 accounts listed. [/ QUOTE ] DW, Please don't keep repeating that if you can't address my earlier point that you have to prove that VPIP is alone sufficient to make a determination here for that to matter if true. That is, you have to prove the other stats together can't trump VPIP in making this determination. [/ QUOTE ] So your argument is that VPIP is allowed to differ as long as other, less frequent, stats are the same? The case for botting would not be "majority rules", it's all or nothing. [/ QUOTE ] This as I said is the topic for another thread. You have by no means proven that less frequent stats are less telling than VPIP. In fact the opposite *could* be true. I'm not saying you have no point, but that again you haven't proved VPIP alone to be sufficient to make the determination or not. 
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#792
05-10-2007, 12:56 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
Yeah, remember that I'm not in this group...I'm just good friends with Chuck, good enough to know that he's not botting and that he doesn't pay/hour. I don't know what lie you're referring to Bluffthis but I'd like you to point it out so I can laugh at you some more, because you're just a huge nit now. Even if he WAS paying by hour all it does is hurt his credibility, it doesn't prove he was botting.
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#793
05-10-2007, 12:56 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
It is very clear to me that nlnut has some sort of script that gives plays entirely based on the player's hand and the board. He is not botting in the sense that there are most likely active players executing these commands. Whether this is cheating (I believe it is) is up to the masses. It is not hard to imagine him beating a FT investigation if this were the case.
We know he has written autohotkey scripts from previous posts. How much of a stretch would this be? Also, if these were separate people, you would think they would have screwed up at least once and played a hand together. It would be impossible not to. Let's say for the sake of argument that there is a super detailed "playbook" out there that all of these people are executing. You would think nlnut would be willing to provide some sort of evidence this exists. Just think how detailed it would have to be to product stats that are so close. If I were to play 300k hands based on a system and put them in 3 100k databases, it would still be much further off than this data shows. The fact that neither has brought this up in defense leads me to believe this is not the case. If I am wrong, please provide an alternate explanation.
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#794
05-10-2007, 12:56 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
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[ QUOTE ] VanVeen is my hero. (No, this is not sarcasm for once, he really is.) [/ QUOTE ] i'd like to second this. [/ QUOTE ] I would agree, but he got me really exicited when he started his blog, but then never updated
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#795
05-10-2007, 12:57 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
when you play online, people are, and always will, coach or ghost, whatever you want to call it. this is one of the things you have to take into account when u play. there is no policing it, no way around it, you have to come to the realization that you may be playing the hand against more than 1 person. If people did this at a casino, it would result in an old fashioned face smashing. but we are online, and thats how it is. i am not a forum junkie or whatever, but any post that i have seen on bots 99.999% of the people say a bot is more easily beatable than a real person, simply because once you pick up the tendency of it, game over bot. if anything, i would give the OP credit for unkowingly stumbling upon this team of players and all the research he did, thats about it.
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#799
05-10-2007, 01:00 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] kudos to nlnut for coming on to defend himself. but come on. it's so obvious when someone is tap-dancing around the facts. [/ QUOTE ] example please? [/ QUOTE ] i was torn on whether to post in this thread at all. especially since the extent of my knowledge is what the obviously biased OP posted, and your response. the OP has a lot of damning, cold hard data. the way you have been defending yourself is "full tilt cleared us, what else matters?" so what i'm saying is, the overall tone of your posts indicates that something shiesty was going on that you've now gotten away with. that was just my reaction from reading all of your posts. [/ QUOTE ] I guess the shiesty is that we are a team and even though allowed by full tilt..it is considered by some to be unethical. I never considered it to be, but now i see the reasoning why some would think it is...that's why my tone changed. Is this unethical?? who decides??
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#800
05-10-2007, 01:01 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] VanVeen is my hero. (No, this is not sarcasm for once, he really is.) [/ QUOTE ] i'd like to second this. [/ QUOTE ] I would agree, but he got me really exicited when he started his blog, but then never updated [/ QUOTE ] this is simply the nature of vanveen. you must accept that which he gives you, and that he always leaves you wanting more.
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