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Old 09-08-2007, 05:09 PM
Kirby99 Kirby99 is offline
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Default Commerce hand

Commerce high stakes game.

Tight/solid player opens in MP, very good player 3 bets the small blind, I call 2 in BB with AQo

Flop J 10 4 rainbow, sb checks, I check, mp bets, sb folds and I call. Turn 8, I check/call. River offsuit Q. My play?
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Old 09-08-2007, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: Commerce hand

bet/fold seems to be the only option. he can't really raise the river with worse, and check folding sucks because, well why did you call the turn?
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Old 09-08-2007, 08:33 PM
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Daryn we called the turn for double gutter, pair outs may or may not be good. I think I agree its a bet/fold but check/folding here wouldn't make the turn play a mistake and I think check/fold has to be considered. The only play I really hate is check/call.

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Old 09-08-2007, 08:37 PM
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Daryn we called the turn for double gutter, pair outs may or may not be good. I think I agree its a bet/fold but check/folding here wouldn't make the turn play a mistake and I think check/fold has to be considered. The only play I really hate is check/call.

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DD is this flop play standard?
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Old 09-08-2007, 09:26 PM
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Daryn we called the turn for double gutter, pair outs may or may not be good. I think I agree its a bet/fold but check/folding here wouldn't make the turn play a mistake and I think check/fold has to be considered. The only play I really hate is check/call.

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DD is this flop play standard?

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right price for a gutter, raising seems bad?
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Old 09-08-2007, 09:27 PM
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bet fold and I don't think it's super close. He has to give you 2 pair on river and if he raises you it's strictly for value.
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Old 09-08-2007, 09:34 PM
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right price for a gutter, raising seems bad?

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no way PP < 10 folds?
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Old 09-08-2007, 09:36 PM
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right price for a gutter, raising seems bad?

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no way PP < 10 folds?

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is that enough of his range to justify getting 3 in on the flop and 1 more in on turn with a dirty overcard and gutter?
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:04 PM
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All this guy has done is bet when checked to after opening in MP.
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:37 PM
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is that enough of his range to justify getting 3 in on the flop and 1 more in on turn with a dirty overcard and gutter?

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I'm not sure but why 3? How often do you think he is 3betting?
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