NL 50 AA confusing spot

[kurto]

NOTE TO SELF: When flopping a monster against a 2+2er... way overbet. Just openpush on the flop. They sure as heck aren't folding a pair of aces.

[panda]

Kurto: this is the first time he has done this and AA should only be a tiny part of our range pf.

[Disconnected]

I honestly find it difficult to put him on any kind of range with that open shove, as I can't think of what plays preflop like he did and then open shoves, especially if your image is aggressive. I wouldn't be able to fold this, I don't think.

[kurto]

Hi.

Our range is irrelevent. What we've learned is that when we do have aces, we're willing to get the bulk of our stack in postflop when its quite questionable that one pair is good.

I understand the guys never done this. But I think his range for open pushing probably has to be heavily weighted to monsters with big draws taken into consideration.

Against a maniac who appears to bluff a lot, I call here quite a bit. But then these kinds of bets aren't so abnormal for a maniac.

I think the possibilities are:
(1) misclick - personally, I give this little weight
(2) 2 pair/sets - decent chance (we're far behind)
(3) monster draw (we're possibly a dog)
(4) regular ol flush draw (we're in decent shape - but do we expect him to play a bare flush draw this way?)
(5) outright bluff - is he that kind of player?

I could be wrong but I think the forum is overvaluing an overpair here.

[xeanatic]

This is what I stoved:
J3 o is the bluff

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

37,620 games 0.005 secs 7,524,000 games/sec

Board: Ts 9c 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.910% 53.91% 00.00% 20281 0.00 { AdAh }
Hand 1: 46.090% 46.09% 00.00% 17339 0.00 { TT-99, 55, AsKs, ATs, T9s, 8s6s, ATo, J3o, T9o }

[kurto]

How are picking that range? If he's not a bluffing maniac, why do you suppose that he's suddenly putting $50 into a $9 pot with TPTK?

If that range is realistic, then its a good call. But I think unless its a misclick, this player isn't characterized as overplaying 1 pair. So I think that handrange is a little too broad.

Where is JsQs? or 7s8s? (both of those are 15 outs for him)

[xeanatic]

this is without bluffs and TPTK hands

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

21,780 games 0.005 secs 4,356,000 games/sec

Board: Ts 5s 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.044% 23.04% 00.00% 5019 0.00 { AdAh }
Hand 1: 76.956% 76.96% 00.00% 16761 0.00 { TT-99, 55, AsKs, QsJs, T9s, 8s7s, 8s6s, T9o }


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