***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)

[Gigglegirl]

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Well Gelford, I'm with Derosnec - I just don't get it.

To me, this debate isn't about stats or style, it's about one thing and one thing only: where do our profits in NL come from?

2+2 would have us believe they come from:

1. Standard value-taking with our good hands
2. Selective aggression and risk taking when we have a bad or marginal hand - for example shoving for FE, 3b light, bluff raising, positional stealing, squeezing etc.

But our friend Coco would apparently disagree as I cannot see how ANY of those things in #2 are a large part of his game.

I mean, does Coco fold to all aggression and hardly ever attempt to make people fold? It certainly looks that way to me. I mean, just look at the lack of variance in his graph - it's incredible.

People say you become too exploitable if you fold to raises a lot and just play ABC for value. Well, Coco is evidence this may not be true up to 400NL. I would love to try an experiment where I fold every time I am raised, never bluff, only put money into pots for value, never shove etc.

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Well I play a similar game to that guy, 21/11 at the moment @100NL, and I'm winning at a similar level. And I have a similar looking lifetime graph, although not at his $ amounts ldo.
And I don't do any of the bluffing, squeezing, 3betting light or w/e and I fold to aggression plenty.
My profits come from good table selection and bad players paying me off with junk.

[bravos1]

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when i played live this summer for a week in vegas (200nl), my stats were probably like coco's because my opponents had an IQ of roughly zero

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Comparing 200NL live to 400NL+ online is just insane. 200NL live is like 10NL-50NL online. 400NL online is sick aggro compared the micro games irrespective of the site/network.

Yes, this guy is playing an unorthodox style in these bigger games but is playing well IMO by raping the over aggro LAGs and fish.

It's very similar to calling a gutshot on the turn getting insufficient odds because you know that villain will give you his deep stack 80% of the time if you do hit.

BTW, there is no chance that b2b can be THAT OVERTLY fishy. If it was, all of the mid-high stakes pros making a decent living here(US) would instantly flock to Europe for a few years and play.

[losingdonkey]

playing like utter [censored] today, like really bad. Time for a break.

[Phildo]

Everyone claims that Party is still much better than FTP and Stars and there aren't a lot of people moving so they can play on Party.

Also it's fairly difficult to relocate permanently to Europe without a job or any real skills (poker is not a skill) unless you're willing to marry or you have a few million dollars to invest. And if you have a few million dollars to invest moving so you can make a little bit more money probably isn't your highest priority.

[Gelford]

Who cares about the US players, you are aware that there are plenty of good euro players right ?


Btw, there was a big datamining thread in MSNL a while back comparing Tilt and Party 400NL .. no differences where found.

[whyzze]

meh, legislation will change eventually. Im sure harrah's has their online casino software developed and ready to go. Im not sure about how it will affect things like rakeback and bonus. But one thing that will be really cool is im sure there will be tons of hotel comps and stuff like that...aside from ipods and hats.

[Phildo]

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Who cares about the US players, you are aware that there are plenty of good euro players right ?

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I never said there weren't.

[ssdex]

hey kids, i took a little vacation from 2+2, obv not from poker, anyone miss me?

[PJo336]

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hey kids, i took a little vacation from 2+2, obv not from poker, anyone miss me?

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i did sir

[wingchunflush]

you sir are one hard guy to IM