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Old 11-10-2007, 06:32 PM
TheLemonShark TheLemonShark is offline
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Default Re: NL200 Serious FPS

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1. If you intend on bluffing there are considerable advantages to doing it on the turn rather than the river.

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True that my line looks stronger then, but my range gets cut down to pretty much sets and bluffs, I wouldn't raise AK in that spot. And by waiting to the river I can find out whether he has KK or not, since I'm pretty sure he pots it again with top set here after he checked flop.


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2. It is stupidly small. you can say big raises look like a bluff etc... but the fact of the matter is you get MUCH MUCH more FE with a raise to like $80.

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Still, you've got to make your bluffs the same amount as when you raise with real hands. I wouldn't raise any hand to $80 on that river, since his hand is pretty much face up and he problaby wont call with QQ/JJ. So a raise to $50 is more likely to be interpret as a valueraise, and since he is a nit I think he is able to lay down QQ here. Partly because he thinks I raises bigger with my bluffs.

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3. yes, he can put you on a draw.

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Obviously. But most flush draws bet the flop, and two straights got there.
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:51 PM
Montezuma21 Montezuma21 is offline
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Default Re: NL200 Serious FPS

1. It's fine to rep a slightly misplayed set on this turn by raising. by far the most important reason why raising the turn is better is because villain knows that he might well have to face a VERY large river bet from you. on the river however villain knows that he need but call one raise and the hand is shown down.

2. you say you need to make your bluffs the same size as your value bets (for metagame) and yet you disregard the fact that you would NEVER play a made hand like that, and thus your river raise can only ever be a bluff.

3. I think checking on the flop with a FD is a very common line to take. In villain's eyes, 45 raises the turn and T8 doesn't call PF, and 999 is unlikely. that leaves a whole bunch of FD and 89 that decided to bluff.
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Old 11-10-2007, 10:06 PM
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Default Re: NL200 Serious FPS

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2. you say you need to make your bluffs the same size as your value bets (for metagame) and yet you disregard the fact that you would NEVER play a made hand like that, and thus your river raise can only ever be a bluff.

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Would very possibly play AK this way. On the flop I check so as to not be check raised by AA KK, turn I just call for obvious reasons, and when he bets weak on the river I am convinced he has an underpair and raise for value.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:06 AM
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Default Re: NL200 Serious FPS

fold turn
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:21 AM
SABR42 SABR42 is offline
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Default Re: NL200 Serious FPS

WTF are you repping? 99?

This is so bad.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:24 AM
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villain is 15/7. I would be shocked if he doesnt have aa/ak here a large majority of the time.

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AA/AK bets flop like 100% of the time.

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Very wrong. A LOT of dumb/tight players check when they hit, bet when they miss.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:28 AM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
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Default Re: NL200 Serious FPS

prob still bad on a Ts (the best card to do it on) because nits suck.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:41 AM
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Default Re: NL200 Serious FPS

what is FPS?
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: NL200 Serious FPS

bet the flop if anything
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:56 AM
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what is FPS?

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Fancy play syndrome
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