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NL25 overpair vs minraise
I have no stats on vilain.
Did i play well ? Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter CO: $15.35 BTN: $24.10 Hero (SB): $24.25 BB: $36.35 UTG: $11.25 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 3 folds, BTN calls $2.50 Flop: ($7.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $10</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.75 and is All-In</font>, BTN calls $10.60 and is All-In Turn: ($48.95) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: ($48.95) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $48.95 Pot ($2 Rake) |
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Re: NL25 overpair vs minraise
Standard.
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Re: NL25 overpair vs minraise
Ok it was i think. Thx for the confirmation.
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Re: NL25 overpair vs minraise
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Standard. [/ QUOTE ] Hope he had JJ instead of TT |
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Re: NL25 overpair vs minraise
raise more pf, bet about pot on flop. other than that little bit its all good.
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Re: NL25 overpair vs minraise
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raise more pf, bet about pot on flop. other than that little bit its all good. [/ QUOTE ] I would bet more pf, but why bet pot on flop? I would bet about my stardand cbet which is about 75~ of the pot. After I 3bet pf, on this flop, I am b3bai 100% of the times. Sorry I only read the other responses later. I think this is pretty standard shove, and I agree with Profish. |
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Re: NL25 overpair vs minraise
I would make a larger bet on the flop, maybe $10. If he calls I would have to consider folding, fearing AA. I don't understand why we discount AA or even KK here.
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Re: NL25 overpair vs minraise
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Standard. [/ QUOTE ] I always wonder. How many bb is an unimproved pair worth? Is it worth exercising pot control? Considering its a reraised pot - when the money goes all in, what percentage of the time against your 'average' player are we good here? I'm not saying this is wrong or right - but at some point I think a value has to be put on a one pair hand. Here, we've guaranteed that we win or lose 100 BB with one pair against someone we know nothing about. Should that be standard? |
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Re: NL25 overpair vs minraise
Its standard for the reasons you already know. Villain can show up here with draws and overpairs quite often. Of course we dont know this guy specifically so we dont know what HE can show up with, but thats why we call them unknowns. We then establish what a general unknown will do, and most will show up with a range we are quite ahead of.
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Re: NL25 overpair vs minraise
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Its standard for the reasons you already know. Villain can show up here with draws and overpairs quite often. Of course we dont know this guy specifically so we dont know what HE can show up with, but thats why we call them unknowns. We then establish what a general unknown will do, and most will show up with a range we are quite ahead of. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm. Not sure I agree. Obviously "most unknowns" is kind of broad... but I would say there are more TAGS and PASSIVE players then maniacs/LAGs. Most players do not put in their whole stack with overcards or unimproved small-midpairs. I agree that a hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] would be in villains range but, if so, we are possibly flipping. I'm actually undecided about this hand. But I do think enough thought isn't put into how much one pair is worth. I don't see anyone actually thinking about what an average player gets his stack in here. I suspect the average player isn't very good. And yet, I bet the average player is more cautious then people are giving him credit for. (I have to datamine to find tables with lots of loose aggressive players - I would say your average table is more to be filled with TAGS and SLAGS and Loose passives.) again - my point is that I don't think most players are getting in their whole stack here as weakly as people seem to indicate. Some players, sure... but I would generalize the average player as being more risk averse then we like to think. In which case always getting in an over pair for a full stack on most flops against your 'average' player is not so clear. |
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