Twice misplayed?

recallme · #1 07-17-2007, 05:55 PM

Game #5089183194: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2007/07/17 - 22:38:36 (GMT)
Table "Malatya" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: inicius_ (£673.90 in chips)
Seat 2: riverFOX (£150.20 in chips)
Seat 3: z4muz (£1901.60 in chips)
Seat 4: unicoern (£500 in chips)
Seat 5: Davenv (£193 in chips)
Seat 6: MGS84 (£1003.25 in chips)
z4muz: posts small blind £2
unicoern: posts big blind £5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to unicoern [As Qh]
Davenv: folds
MGS84: folds
inicius_: folds
riverFOX: folds
z4muz: raises to £20
unicoern: raises to £65
z4muz: raises to £165
unicoern: calls £100
----- FLOP ----- [Qs Tc Jh]
z4muz: bets £1736.60 and is all-in
unicoern: is all-in £335

Villain is sth like 27/20 and decent. I considered folding pre, but getting odds i decided to call and now i can`t fold, right?

I am not sure if i am ever ahead here? Perhaps against AK but anything else?

jpsnow · #2 07-17-2007, 05:59 PM

THis is definately a fold preflop. If your calling preflop, what are you hoping for? Even though your getting decent odds, the chances you hit 2 pair are not there + even if you do he may set up, ect. Fold preflop to most players.

But if you think your ahead preflop this is obv a call, but your not most of the time.

paulnic · #3 07-17-2007, 06:05 PM

<quote>I am not sure if i am ever ahead here? Perhaps against AK but anything else? </quote>

isnt Ak top str8 on this board?

paulnic · #4 07-17-2007, 06:09 PM

theres not a bit of this hand i like sorry. calling all in hear is terrible imo. what are u beating??? pre he must be raising with AA\KK\AK there is nothing he has that u are beating even if he 3 bet with JJ\1010 your behind this is an awfull call.

FooSH · #5 07-17-2007, 06:38 PM

Fold to the 4 bet. FWIW I'd fold AK here as well unless they'd done this a few times before, and then I'd just push pre-flop.

Laetus · #6 07-17-2007, 06:40 PM

If I decide to play the hand I either push or fold, everything else is silly and given our information I see no reason to push.

recallme · #7 07-17-2007, 07:55 PM

Thx. He had JJ and i didn`t suck out

FionnMac · #8 07-17-2007, 08:04 PM

horrendous

paulnic · #9 07-18-2007, 04:49 AM

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Fold to the 4 bet. FWIW I'd fold AK here as well unless they'd done this a few times before, and then I'd just push pre-flop.

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Hang on... are u talking pre flop??? please tell me your not considering folding AK post flop please...?

Big_Jim · #10 07-18-2007, 05:02 AM

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Twice misplayed?

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Yup.

PF is a shove or fold spot.