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Old 07-11-2007, 08:32 AM
ok2aa ok2aa is offline
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Default Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

i don't like it how i got here but should i call now.

villain is 21/18 and we haven't tangled much before. i think i've 3-bet him once or twice and he has folded pf.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $179.70
BB: $111.70
UTG: $99.00
CO: $118.65
BTN: $290.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $10.00

Flop: ($29) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $21.00</font>, BTN calls $21.00

Turn: ($71) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $46.00</font>, Hero calls $46.00

River: ($163) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $105.00</font>, Hero has ~$100 behind..
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Old 07-11-2007, 08:50 AM
paulnic paulnic is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

i dont really like any of this tbh. dont mind the raise preflop to much(KQ is not that brilliant however) but i think u need to slow down on the flop and turn... i think this is a river fold imo but depends what info u have on villain. wouldnt be suprised to see AQ\JJ here
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:01 AM
Suigin406 Suigin406 is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

eh, i'm not thrilled about 3betting KQ OOP against a 21/18, not to mention i just don't like checking flops after doing this, but OK...as played, i think u have to fold or crai on the turn, calling can't be good here...
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:01 AM
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

Pre/flop and flop look fine, I prolly chk fold turn though.
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:13 AM
Daddy Warbucks Daddy Warbucks is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

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i don't like it how i got here but should i call now.

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You really only beat a bluff on the river.
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:38 AM
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

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i don't like it how i got here but should i call now.

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You really only beat a bluff on the river.

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yes, i know that. i think a bluff is also big part of his range there. he seemed to play ABC poker so i dont think he is valuebetting with less than AA and sets here. he just flatcalled on the flop which makes me believe it is less likely that he has a set/AA,KK. my Q and the turn Q reduces the chances of him having QQ.

so i think his range on the river is bluff( AK, missed flush) ,sets, sometimes AA and rarely KK.

does that make sense?
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:33 AM
vhunter vhunter is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

see u keep 3 bet someone, he got so tired of u. he could took a stand on any two, JQ 77 44, AA, KK JJ or QQ even u have one. but the way he play looks like two pairs.
fold is easy, do u really want to show u 3bet reraised with KQ?

pf 3-bet on KQ is bad!!!!
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:35 AM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

I fold pf and fold against on the turn.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:45 AM
Check_The_Nuts Check_The_Nuts is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

lol wtf I valuebet KK on the river. You look pretty clearly like onepair by then, and its doubtful you have AA here.

I also see no reason for AA/KK to raise that flop.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:47 AM
Idiotex Idiotex is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

3-Bet preflop to a button raiser is fine, he's 21 / 18 and has a huge range here. KQ is way ahead of his range.

He has a very wide calling range because of the deepstacks though. I'd say he flopped a set and played it very slowly due to the deepstacks.

Could be Jacks, 4's, or 7's. Very small outside possibility of AA. But slowplaying it so deepstacked is a big risk.

Also a very minute possibility of 56s for the river straight. It would be loose calling on his part but if he thinks he can bluff you in position.

To all the people who are saying 3-betting KQ is horrible... It's just.... not.

What do you reraise a buttom raise with? QQ+ &amp; AK only.... You'll get paid off a lot by smart players. If you have a very small 3-bet range people will call with low pockets to bust... And they will succeed. By widening your range you do not make it profitabe to call with low pocket pairs, and if they cold call with AQ, flop a Q and run into your AA or KK, you make money.
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