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11-22-2006, 01:59 AM
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QJ sooted
30/8/2.25 over 182
If I have AQ/KK/AA i think i c/r turn all-in or push flop. I can find a fold w/ QJ. Thoughts? Converted by PokerGeek Absolute NL Hold'em Ring - 2/2 Blinds (5 handed) Starting Stacks Seat 2: Big blind ($96) Seat 3: UTG (Hero) ($407.68) Seat 4: CO ($66) Seat 5: Button ($285.89) Seat 6: Small blind ($555.50) Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero raises ($8), <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls ($8), Small blind folds, Big blind folds Flop: ($19) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero bets ($10), Button raises ($26), Hero calls ($16) Turn: ($71) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, Button bets ($50), Hero folds Final Pot: $68 Results not shown 
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#3
11-22-2006, 02:20 AM
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Re: QJ sooted
i may just muck jQss UTG. could be seen as nitish, and i think it certainly may be warped by my recent switch to cash and realization how important position is, but i'd rather 3-bet any 2 on the button then be OOP w/ a hand like JQ.
That may be insane, but flop I'd certainly bet more. And then to the raise I think the real decision is to fold or call and stack off on a blank turn. Almost all villains who "float raised" the turn are gonna fire on the turn. When you call on the flop is there any turn card/action you are gonna like besides a Q? FWIW, i'm folding to the flop raise unless i've seen villain has a float or small bluff-raise in his arsenal.
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11-22-2006, 02:43 AM
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Re: QJ sooted
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[ QUOTE ] What sense was there in calling the flop if you were going to check/fold a blank turn? [/ QUOTE ] not sure he fires again w/ weaker Q, underpair, FD if I call. [/ QUOTE ] Here's my issue with that. You're giving up the reins. You're out of position here which means that you're forced to make bigger decisions than he is. When you check that turn, it generally means that you're weak and pussied out. The only information that you're getting by bet/calling the flop and checking the turn is that you now know that villain knows you're not willing to play a big pot, so no matter what he has, he's betting there. EDIT: Anyway, so what if you're unsure of whether or not he's willing to fire again with a weaker Q? If you check that turn, you're just as unsure, because you still don't know if he's firing a second bullet with QT or 99.
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#8
11-22-2006, 02:52 AM
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Re: QJ sooted
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What sense was there in calling the flop if you were going to check/fold a blank turn? [/ QUOTE ] not sure he fires again w/ weaker Q, underpair, FD if I call. [/ QUOTE ] Here's my issue with that. You're giving up the reins. You're out of position here which means that you're forced to make bigger decisions than he is. When you check that turn, it generally means that you're weak and pussied out. The only information that you're getting by bet/calling the flop and checking the turn is that you now know that villain knows you're not willing to play a big pot, so no matter what he has, he's betting there. EDIT: Anyway, so what if you're unsure of whether or not he's willing to fire again with a weaker Q? If you check that turn, you're just as unsure, because you still don't know if he's firing a second bullet with QT or 99. [/ QUOTE ] this is a good point, but what's your line here? fold flop or 3 bet flop??
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#9
11-22-2006, 03:02 AM
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Re: QJ sooted
Well, my line here is a little bit read dependent, but absent a read, I fold the flop. That's a scary board even for AQ/KQ/KK/AA, and I would really have to convince myself that he's raising the flop with QT or worse.
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