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Old 07-01-2007, 07:13 AM
Raist0000 Raist0000 is offline
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Default Six preflop situations with low M, please help a novice!

These hands are from the 100000$ VIP freeroll in Pokerstars.
In all of them, me or some other player have a low M.
I'm a limit player, so please help a novice in no-limit tournaments!

Level XI (600/1200) ANTE=75
Seat 1: Pentiummania (17237 in chips)
Seat 2: Dragon4tw (66431 in chips)
Seat 3: THEBIGGRAVY (12932 in chips)
Seat 4: Raist0000 (34418 in chips)
Seat 5: The4thHanson (27628 in chips)
Seat 7: TroyLay (2625 in chips)
Seat 8: jipi1987 (7699 in chips)
Seat 9: yelwahs (17605 in chips)
ANTE=75
THEBIGGRAVY: posts small blind 600
Raist0000: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raist0000 [Kd Ah]
The4thHanson: folds
TroyLay: folds
jipi1987: folds
yelwahs: raises 3600 to 4800
Pentiummania: folds
Dragon4tw: folds
THEBIGGRAVY: raises 8057 to 12857 and is all-in
Raist0000: ???


Level XVII (4000/8000) ANTE=400
Seat 1: offyou (371901 in chips)
Seat 2: Raist0000 (59778 in chips)
Seat 3: Gkastone (53539 in chips)
Seat 4: foot26 (106008 in chips)
Seat 5: betinb (34448 in chips)
Seat 6: blkjck (82046 in chips)
Seat 7: Charmer1973 (41344 in chips)
Seat 8: Urgefan10 (81280 in chips)
Seat 9: BEN BLACK (145350 in chips)
ANTE=400
betinb: posts small blind 4000
blkjck: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raist0000 [8c Ah]
Charmer1973: folds
Urgefan10: folds
BEN BLACK: folds
offyou: folds
Raist0000: ???


Level XVII (4000/8000) ANTE=400
Seat 1: kalle001 (170741 in chips)
Seat 2: simple math (79939 in chips)
Seat 3: Stoker337 (16860 in chips)
Seat 4: rw2lite (152773 in chips)
Seat 5: Raist0000 (75378 in chips)
Seat 6: tbonegeorge1 (298240 in chips)
Seat 7: Fish_Light (66902 in chips)
Seat 8: niky1097 (184873 in chips)
Seat 9: conel (99234 in chips)
ANTE=400
conel: posts small blind 4000
kalle001: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raist0000 [Ks Qc]
simple math: folds
Stoker337: raises 8460 to 16460 and is all-in
rw2lite: folds
Raist0000: ???


Level XVII (4000/8000) ANTE=400
Seat 1: kalle001 (157541 in chips)
Seat 2: simple math (66739 in chips)
Seat 4: rw2lite (190463 in chips)
Seat 5: Raist0000 (73318 in chips)
Seat 7: Fish_Light (81732 in chips)
Seat 8: niky1097 (183673 in chips)
Seat 9: conel (94034 in chips)
ANTE=400
rw2lite: posts small blind 4000
Raist0000: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raist0000 [Kc Tc]
Fish_Light: folds
niky1097: folds
conel: folds
kalle001: folds
simple math: folds
rw2lite: raises 24000 to 32000
Raist0000: ???


Level XVIII (6000/12000) ANTE=600
Seat 1: kalle001 (157141 in chips)
Seat 2: simple math (66339 in chips)
Seat 3: Charmer1973 (85392 in chips)
Seat 4: rw2lite (117145 in chips)
Seat 5: Raist0000 (148636 in chips)
Seat 6: chaching (153666 in chips)
Seat 7: Fish_Light (81332 in chips)
Seat 8: niky1097 (183273 in chips)
Seat 9: conel (93634 in chips)
ANTE=600
Raist0000: posts small blind 6000
chaching: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raist0000 [Ac Jc]
Fish_Light: folds
niky1097: folds
conel: folds
kalle001: folds
simple math: raises 53739 to 65739 and is all-in
Charmer1973: folds
rw2lite: folds
Raist0000: ???


Level XVIII (6000/12000) ANTE=600
Seat 1: kalle001 (156541 in chips)
Seat 2: simple math (148878 in chips)
Seat 3: Charmer1973 (84792 in chips)
Seat 4: rw2lite (116545 in chips)
Seat 5: Raist0000 (82297 in chips)
Seat 6: chaching (141066 in chips)
Seat 7: Fish_Light (80732 in chips)
Seat 8: niky1097 (182673 in chips)
Seat 9: conel (93034 in chips)
ANTE=600
chaching: posts small blind 6000
Fish_Light: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raist0000 [Kc 9s]
niky1097: folds
conel: folds
kalle001: folds
simple math: folds
Charmer1973: folds
rw2lite: folds
Raist0000: ???

I'll post my action and my thoughts after readeing some feedback. Thank you very much.
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Old 07-01-2007, 07:55 AM
hERESY hERESY is offline
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Default Re: Six preflop situations with low M, please help a novice!

1. all in
2. all in
3. all in
4. all in
5. all in
6. all in
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Old 07-01-2007, 08:12 AM
Pokerfarian Pokerfarian is offline
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Default Re: Six preflop situations with low M, please help a novice!

With the possible exception of hand 3, get your chips in the middle!
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Old 07-01-2007, 08:57 AM
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Default Re: Six preflop situations with low M, please help a novice!

Do we seriously help this guy with the statements above???

Hand 1: We have both villains covered so i would push here, there is a remote chance that someone has KK or AA but otherwise we are just flipping threeways or dominating some of them. Maybe we will even get a fold.

Hand 2: Your M is low and you are in MP3, a good position to shove with A8, villains behind you also have a relatively low M so they won't call you very much.

Hand 3: I think I would shove this as well because we don't really have to be afraid of villains hand, and other people won't come in with aces uptill AJ, maybe even AQ and fold some low pocketpairs.

Hand 4: Difficult, we have no vigourish and Ace rag is dominating us, also I ask myself if he wouldn't just call or shove with a hand like JT or QJ. I think he is raising this amount with ace rag or a really really bad hand, could be read dependent. Can't gave you a clear opinion. FE = almost 0

Hand 5: Shove, his range is very wide from MP3 seen his low M.

Hand 6: Easy shove, your M is low and you have a decent hand for the button, above average.
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:18 AM
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Default Re: Six preflop situations with low M, please help a novice!

Most seemed very straightforward. I see 4 was disputed, here Im pushing here with roughly: 22+, A2o+, K4s+, K6o+, Q6s+, Q8o, J8s+, JTo against an unknown, so KTs is a very easy shove
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Old 07-01-2007, 10:03 AM
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Default Re: Six preflop situations with low M, please help a novice!

1. Very easy shove.

2. All in, put on your sunglasses.

3. Fold imo, if I was in the blinds or on the button I could consider calling this, but you still have several players left to act behind you.

4. Put all of your chips in the middle.

5. Push [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

6. Ran out of synonyms for shove, so just shove.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:33 PM
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Default Re: Six preflop situations with low M, please help a novice!

I had many doubts because one player berated me for playing hands 4 and 5. He said how i went that far in the tournament playing that way...

I suppose I played very bad hands 1 and 5 for calling instead of reraising preflop, and perhaps 4 for calling and not continuation betting the flop?

1. I called and the original raiser called too. Flop:942 check check. Turn:5 we went all-in (he had very few chips left). I rivered a straight and won. They had 55 and JJ.

2. I went all-in with A8o and all people folded.

3. I called, Fish_Light called too. The flop was T73 rainbow. I check, Fish_Light went all-in, and I folded (the two opponents had 99!)

4. I reraised all-in with the KTs, the SB called with AQo but I won the hand.

5. I called with AJs, the BB folded and I lost to AKs.

6. I went all-in with K9o, but the SB reraised all-in with KK and I lost the tournament.

Any more comments?

Many thanks for the advice!
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Old 07-01-2007, 11:04 PM
RyanUSF RyanUSF is offline
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Default Re: Six preflop situations with low M, please help a novice!

[ QUOTE ]
I suppose I played very bad hands 1 and 5 for calling instead of reraising preflop, and perhaps 4 for calling and not continuation betting the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]

When you have a low M, you don't have the ability to play postflop poker, because with every bet or call you are usually committing yourself to the pot. In hand 3, you are calling for 20% of your stack, and continuation betting into an empty pot against an opponent that can't fold and another that probably won't given this board is pointless. If you did for some reason make a continuation bet into this pot, a half pot-sized bet would take over 50% of your remaining chips. You don't want to get yourself into situations like this.

When your M is this low (in this case 5), it's all-in or fold, and whether you put your chips into the pot depends on the action in front of you, the relative strength of your hand, and the number of players still to act behind you. Here you have a person all-in in front of you, a decent hand, and a lot of players still to act behind you. For me, this one's a fold. I'm sure some here will disagree with me, but someone who allows themselves to get blinded all the way down to an M of 1.1 has quite a bit smaller shoving range. The rest are easy shoves though (not calls, shoves).

Hope that helps [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 07-01-2007, 11:14 PM
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Default Re: Six preflop situations with low M, please help a novice!

Push all of these.
Are the people who are folding hand 3 advocating open folding as well? The pusher has 2 bbs his range has got to be super huge. I can't fathom doing anything other than pushing here, especially with a short stack to isolate.
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