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Old 11-26-2007, 01:50 PM
Pokerdemic Pokerdemic is offline
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Default NL100: AQ w/TPTK in 3bet pot facing turn shove against unknown

AQ gives me problems in 3bet pots primarily because I am not very good at poker. I called because I had position. But if I am calling pf, should I be willing to get it in on this board? Is this a snap call? A fold? With the J on the board I'm thinking I am pretty far behind a 3bet range here unless he is bluff-pushing AK, but I don't know how likely that is.

I am pretty new to SSNL, so please to provide reasoning for your answer. Thanks.


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MP: $100
CO: $136.80
BTN: $112.15
SB: $110
BB: $83
Hero (UTG): $100

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $12</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $19</font>, Hero calls $19

Turn: ($63) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $79 and is All-In</font>, Hero?
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:13 PM
nazahl nazahl is offline
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Default Re: NL100: AQ w/TPTK in 3bet pot facing turn shove against unknown

I'd just pitch it preflop most often. u opened utg and he 3bet from the blinds so he's usually got you dominated or worse.

that said, against an unknown I like the flop call and would drop it on the turn since its likely you caught a piece of the flop pretty well and he doesnt expect you to fold.
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: NL100: AQ w/TPTK in 3bet pot facing turn shove against unknown

I'd just fold preflop as well, unless he's really aggressive. Turn, I think you can let it go.
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:18 PM
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Default Re: NL100: AQ w/TPTK in 3bet pot facing turn shove against unknown

I call pre because we have the button and we're closing the action heads-up. Flop I'd raise sometimes because AK is a big part of his range. I dont mind the call in position however. On the turn you beat a bluff, and the rest of his range you either chop or lose. You never scoop against a non-bluff. So I fold.
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: NL100: AQ w/TPTK in 3bet pot facing turn shove against unknown

also if this is being serious:

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I am not very good at poker

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Then you should fold preflop, and you should prb also move down for a while.
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: NL100: AQ w/TPTK in 3bet pot facing turn shove against unknown

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I call pre because we have the button and we're closing the action heads-up. Flop I'd raise sometimes because AK is a big part of his range. I dont mind the call in position however. On the turn you beat a bluff, and the rest of his range you either chop or lose. You never scoop against a non-bluff. So I fold.

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Just a note: we don't have the button, if we did, I'm calling this preflop 100% of the time since he's probably 3-betting a wide range, but hero opened UTG and he 3-bet from the blinds, I /might/ call with AQs, but probably fold that as well unless he's actively shown he doesn't understand position (ie. if I've caught him 3-betting 33 or AT in this spot).
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:23 PM
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Default Re: NL100: AQ w/TPTK in 3bet pot facing turn shove against unknown

Against an unknown with I'm tossing it preflop. You don't beat anything but a ridiculously played AK or TT on the turn. Definitely fold there.
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:26 PM
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Default Re: NL100: AQ w/TPTK in 3bet pot facing turn shove against unknown

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also if this is being serious:

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I am not very good at poker

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Then you should fold preflop, and you should prb also move down for a while.

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Well, I built up a roll through NL50 from scratch, so I was being a tiny bit ironic. I should have said that I am not very good at 3bet pots. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: NL100: AQ w/TPTK in 3bet pot facing turn shove against unknown

Fold preflop. Reasoning: People don't usually 3-bet utg-raises light from OOP.

Turn is close. Reasoning: You're getting decent odds and we don't have to include many KQs or semibluffing AK/TT/99 for the call to be profitable.

Note: Generally you shouldn't call preflop unless you're willing to stack of on this board.
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: NL100: AQ w/TPTK in 3bet pot facing turn shove against unknown

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I call pre because we have the button and we're closing the action heads-up. Flop I'd raise sometimes because AK is a big part of his range. I dont mind the call in position however. On the turn you beat a bluff, and the rest of his range you either chop or lose. You never scoop against a non-bluff. So I fold.

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Just a note: we don't have the button, if we did, I'm calling this preflop 100% of the time since he's probably 3-betting a wide range, but hero opened UTG and he 3-bet from the blinds, I /might/ call with AQs, but probably fold that as well unless he's actively shown he doesn't understand position (ie. if I've caught him 3-betting 33 or AT in this spot).

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I folded the turn. But I'm always at a loss for how to play AQ in a 3bet pot on the button. If I had opened in the button and the BB 3bet, I called and this flop came, is the turn a call? Or still a fold?
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