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Old 11-30-2007, 01:25 PM
maverickai maverickai is offline
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Default Raise to protect T top pair on a 3 flush flop?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">HERO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, HERO ?

My thoughts:

fold &gt; raise &gt; call

I support fold because:
I have 2 other players to act behind, raising will not chase out anyone on a diamond draw, overcards will also not be good to me, I do not have a flush draw to boot, and I'll be spewing if someone raises or re-raises behind me.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: Raise to protect T top pair on a 3 flush flop?

Your UTG PF Raise with this is pretty suspect - but at any rate.

I call here and raise the non-heart diamond turn.

You bloated the pot and need to call IMO.

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Old 11-30-2007, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: Raise to protect T top pair on a 3 flush flop?

You can't protect anything here, if you are raising it is for value, if you are calling it is to raise a safe turn card.

At full ring .05/.10 this may be closer to a fold in EP than a raise.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: Raise to protect T top pair on a 3 flush flop?

:g:

I raise the flop for value and protection, if someone is folding 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or a K, Q or J thats awesome, of they have A or K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] they are never folding anyway.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: Raise to protect T top pair on a 3 flush flop?

I think I'm in agreement with Sarge...but it depends on the type of table you're at. First of all, I'd fold this preflop...are people showing long term profit with AT UTG at full tables?

Now that you're in the hand I think I call the flop and see what happens. Was this a loose/passive-ish table or are some of the players acting behind you TAGish?
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:55 PM
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Default Re: Raise to protect T top pair on a 3 flush flop?

ftr, i open ATo utg. against bad opponents your raise is for value. folding is fine, however.

not sure why you all think raising doesn't protect our hand. laying 11:2 is a lot different than laying 11:1. basically, what xylo said.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: Raise to protect T top pair on a 3 flush flop?

I usually fold this guy preflop.

The flop is a raise. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: Raise to protect T top pair on a 3 flush flop?

[ QUOTE ]
ftr, i open ATo utg. against bad opponents your raise is for value. folding is fine, however.

not sure why you all think raising doesn't protect our hand. laying 11:2 is a lot different than laying 11:1. basically, what xylo said.

[/ QUOTE ]

Mostly because it's rare to fold any diamond at the micros when there are 3 on the board.
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:49 PM
tyler_cracker tyler_cracker is offline
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Default Re: Raise to protect T top pair on a 3 flush flop?

i've seen bad players fold a low diamond here. if not, oh well; you were raising for value anyway.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: Raise to protect T top pair on a 3 flush flop?

i fold preflop too.. u must be pretty laggy to raise this utg in FR?
flop i think raise&gt;call&gt;fold
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