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Old 11-30-2007, 04:35 AM
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

Dude, what?

Bet to charge about a million draws, including sets filling up. Worse hands will call.
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:57 AM
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

i wasnt sure wtf to do on the flop but the turn is the easiest bet ever. 80ish is good
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:11 AM
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

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bet $50.

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We shouldn't give him like 4:1 direct, 9:1 implied on this board. At least 80 imo.

I realise you're trying to induce but I don't like it on this board and I don't think it will work often enough.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

O this is against me. Hehe..
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:15 PM
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I think the real question in this hand is the river. I called the turn, another 9 hit the river, and you shoved. I think this is a fairly easy c/f against not just me, but anybody with a brain really. What do you expect to get value from? I dunno, with my hand the turn was exactly a call, but I did put you squarely on JJ without much thought. I/anybody could have soo many boats though on that river, given my line. Like I think it's fair to say I could have every possibly boat combo on that river. A shove gets value from one hand (exactly my hand, like exactly) if the villain is dumb (but I ain't dumb yo).

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Old 11-30-2007, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

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bet $50.

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We shouldn't give him like 4:1 direct, 9:1 implied on this board. At least 80 imo.

I realise you're trying to induce but I don't like it on this board and I don't think it will work often enough.

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* Best hand of the week.

Well I'm trying to maximize value against Villain's entire range (which includes inducing bluffs), but I didn't actually play with any numbers, I was just thinking off the top of my head.


POT SIZE = $131
EFFECTIVE STACKS = $183

VILLAIN'S RANGE: This is obviously the hardest part and I actually hardly play, so you're guess of Villain's range is much better than mine. I wish I knew if Villain ever 4-bets preflop...but whatever.

AA= 6 ways
KK= 4 ways (cause he 4-bets it some preflop?)
QQ= 3 ways
JJ= 1 ways
TT= 3 ways
99= 2 ways (cause he folds preflop and checks flop?)

AcKc= 1 way
AK (no club) = 10(cause he 4-bets it some preflop?)

Now the question of how each acts to a bet?

VILLAINS ACTION
AA=
Bet of $50: Folds 100%, Bluffs 0% (ever bluff?)
Bet of $80: Folds 100%, Bluffs 0%

KK
Bet of $50: Folds 95%, Bluffs 5% (bluff too high?)
Bet of $50: Folds 100%, Bluffs 0%

QQ
Bet of $50: Folds 0%, Raises 50% Calls 50% (?)
Bet of $80: Folds 0%, Raises 0%, Calls 100% (?)

JJ
Bet of $50: Folds 0%, Raises 90%, Calls 10%
Bet of $90: Folds 0%, Raises 100%

TT
Bet of $50: Folds 00%, Raises 25%, Calls 75% (?)
Bet of $80: Folds 10%, Raises 25%, Calls 65% (?)

99
Bet of $50: Folds 0%, Raises 25%, Calls 75% (?)
Bet of $80: Folds 20%, Raises 20%, Calls 60% (?)

A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Bet of $50: Folds 0%, Raises 10%, Calls 90% (?)
Bet of $80: Folds 100% (?)

AxKx
Bet of $50: Folds 95%, Raises 5% (?)
Bet of $80: Folds 100%

Feel free to change any of my numbers, with what you want in bold and I'll do an EV calc.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

Doesn't check-calling on the flop just scream JJ ??? A reraise preflop followed by being scared by an overcard on the flop?

I like Nick Royale's analysis - If we bet the flop we disguise our hand as well as getting some FE.

Now, let's say the turn blanks and you bet flop and were called. What's your action ?
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:04 PM
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

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I think the real question in this hand is the river. I called the turn, another 9 hit the river, and you shoved. I think this is a fairly easy c/f against not just me, but anybody with a brain really. What do you expect to get value from?

[/ QUOTE ]So why did you call then?
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:06 PM
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Um I didn't...
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

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bet $50.

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We shouldn't give him like 4:1 direct, 9:1 implied on this board. At least 80 imo.

I realise you're trying to induce but I don't like it on this board and I don't think it will work often enough.

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forgot to add, why would we ever pay the villain off on the river when he obviously boats up?

i think hero can safely check-fold to a river push when the board pairs, right?
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