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Old 07-19-2007, 11:14 AM
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Default 3 betting PF OOP

Hey guys, watusp.

Im kind of stumbled on one concept with this and I don't want to make this post tl;dr.

Why is it that OOP people suggest to re-raise a hand like 99 in the SB to an utg open. I've heard people say things like well to negate your positional dis-advantage I would just 3bet. I mean wouldn't we if anything just call for set value in the sb. I've seen people do this with hands like AKo to.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:17 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting PF OOP

Never reraise an UTG opener without a premium. Reraise CO and button from the blinds. 3betting with AK is totally fine.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:18 AM
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Yeah I was stumbled by this as well.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting PF OOP

AKo is a hand to 3-bet with in any position against any opener.

Reasons why I 3-bet:
-If villain is raising very loosely.
-If I want to isolate him.
-To get payed off when I have aces aswell (so I 3-bet with suited connecters aswell).
-To protect my hand like 99 against an AQ opener.
-If the opener is a weak player.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:19 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting PF OOP

Your re-raising 99 from a CO open right? Is that for pure value?

I mean I just don't understand the concept of 3betting because of your positional advantage maybe I was just reading someone who posted and didn't know what there saying.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:19 AM
TilTandWiN TilTandWiN is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting PF OOP

I think that raising UTG raises may not be best - but 3 betting from BB/SB from raise in MP/CO/B is very good. This is something that i have found to be a massive leak in peoples games - non paired hands hit 1/3 times (and even then the hit may not be strong enough). So when you 3 bet OOP you MUST lead with a cont bet and you will take it down like 80% of the time. You will also do it with a decent hand so there will be situations where your hand is best.

3 betting shows alot of strength and this is good.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:20 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting PF OOP

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Never reraise an UTG opener without a premium. Reraise CO and button from the blinds. 3betting with AK is totally fine.

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I agree, but only if the UTG opener is a solid player. There are still alot of people in uNL that don't care about position. They see an ace and boom, chips in the pot!
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:20 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting PF OOP

depends way to much on what kind of player(stats,reads) the utg raiser is.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:20 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting PF OOP

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AKo is a hand to 3-bet with in any position against any opener.

Reasons why I 3-bet:
-If villain is raising very loosely.
-If I want to isolate him.
-To get payed off when I have aces aswell (so I 3-bet with suited connecters aswell).
-To protect my hand like 99 against an AQ opener.
-If the opener is a weak player.

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thx intresting.

do you 3bet a nit who raised utg?
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:21 AM
TilTandWiN TilTandWiN is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting PF OOP

In fact you could prob 3 bet out of the blinds with ATC and it would be +EV in the long run.
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