Small 4-Bets

[Our House]

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To be clear, how big are you saying the 4-bet should be?

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Put a man to a decision for all his chips!

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I agree with this when you're playing with 100BB stacks. It only changed to small 4-bets within the last few months. Before that it was always either 4-bet big and commit or just pooosh. That's how it should be IMO. 4-betting 2x or 2.5x is horrible and all it does is give your opponent a free pass to call with odds. After all, his 3-betting range is a lot tighter than his raising range.

In a vacuum, the only hands that are correct to 4-bet small with are AA, KK and maybe QQ. For obvious reasons, no one is only 4-betting with that range, so the play is sub-optimal overall.

[Our House]

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Oh and please tell me how you're owning them.

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I'll explain the correct counter-strategy as soon as someone provides the reasoning for this latest trend. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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more common is making it ~3x the 3bet imo ($150-$160). making it 60 or 70 on top is pretty terrible unless villain is too stupid to call.

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Making it 150-160 is pretty terrible too I think. You're committing yourself to call a shove anyways, and if for some reason your opponent just calls you can run into some very awkward flops. Shove ftw.

[MATT111]

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In a vacuum, the only hands that are correct to 4-bet small with are AA, KK and maybe QQ. For obvious reasons, no one is only 4-betting with that range, so the play is sub-optimal overall.

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You`re close to the solution...

[Our House]

Hey matt! Long time, no see.

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So you three bet to 50 w/99 and get four bet to 120. You're calling with odds? What about KQs?

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this thread is tilting me.

[Our House]

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So you three bet to 50 w/99 and get four bet to 120. You're calling with odds? What about KQs?

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I think the better question is:

So you're four betting small with AK? What do you do when your opponent calls and you whiff the flop?

As far as what I do with 99 or KQs...it all depends on who the 4-betting opponent is.

[mustmuck]

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So you're four betting small with AK? What do you do when your opponent calls and you whiff the flop?

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I play poker.

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As far as what I do with 99 or KQs...it all depends on who the 4-betting opponent is.

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As does anybody's 4-betting range.

[Our House]

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So you're four betting small with AK? What do you do when your opponent calls and you whiff the flop?

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I play poker.

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With 100BB stacks, what kind of poker do you play?