Questionable on every street

[UMTerp]

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if it checks to co and he bets, i think maybe 5-10% of the time we're good

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Why can't CO have KQ or QJs here? Because of the turn check? Wouldn't most players bet those hands on the river after two streets were checked through? I think 5-10% is waaay low of an estimate if it's checked to the CO and he bets.

I think you have to call one bet regardless of who it comes from (and fold to two.)

[danzasmack]

"Why can't CO have KQ or QJs here?"

cap the flop w/top pair for a free card?

[UMTerp]

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"Why can't CO have KQ or QJs here?"

cap the flop w/top pair for a free card?

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So are you insinuating that a flush draw is his only possible holding?

[danzasmack]

i said nothing of the sort. i'm just saying why TPMK doesn't really make sense here, though I'm not ruling it out completely. I do think that you have to heavily weight against that though (IOW if there are X combos of it and you want to stove it, i would take about about 90% of X)

[JDalla]

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sometimes people say some really incredible things on this forum. for example, check folding this river.

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i said it to emphasize how bad i thought the bet was. what i want to happen on the river is a utg bet and co raise so i can make the easiest decision ever. if it checks to co and he bets, i think maybe 5-10% of the time we're good (0% if i'm co), so it's close at 13bb. if utg bets and co folds, i insta-call. if utg bets and co calls, i'd call too.

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agree 100% thanks for clarifying.

[Leader]

Well, this turned into a good discussion after a shaky start. The river, in general, is an area I need to work on. My instinct is often to immediately retake the initiative when someone gives it up and I feel like I have the best hand. In a lot of spots, this isn't a good thing.

In any case, results:

<font color="white"> UTG called and CO folded. UTG had K8 of spades MHING</font>