semi-bluff/fsdr/value raise...?

[Leader]

27/20/2/35/3k

6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>

[dbeckham]

this is an autofold for me and i am typically more aggressive. i just dont see anyone folding a ten here and many times you will end up getting 3 bet. in my opinion this is just a spew.

[yourface]

interesting spot imo. I am going to do the math for this later and see how often villain has to fold a small pair for it to be +ev.

my first impression is that I don't like it because villain shouldn't be folding a pair here if you are known to make plays like this (AJ AQ JQ are a lot of hands) and it would really suck to get reraised after picking up the gutshot. it is very close as to whether we can call a 3bet

[yourface]

no way is this a fold

[Oink]

Against both a bluff and a monster raising is bad.

Against a fd that will fire river UI raising is bad

Against Tx and PP's raising is bad unless he folds which I find unlikely if he knows who you are and if this is mid stakes at Full tilt where no one ever folds anything.


Cliff-notes: I dont like it.

[Oink]

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no way is this a fold

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LOL @ folding.

[milesdyson]

standard spot heisenb3rg discussed in his thread a few weeks ago, where that guy can 3-bet a ton here and crush you because you're probably going to raise everything on that turn.

also dbecham said:
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this is an autofold for me and i am typically more aggressive. i just dont see anyone folding a ten here and many times you will end up getting 3 bet. in my opinion this is just a spew.

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maybe i am mistaking you for someone else but when i played on stars you would never fold this vs a tag.

[MacGuyV]

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Against a fd that will fire river UI raising is bad


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He's pretty retarded if he does that on this board.

[sharpie]

I do [censored] like this too much and it has cost me.

[deviouz]

bad call on the flop!! I would fold for the check-raise 100%, I dont understand why you play it so hard? BB certanly have a hand here, and you have nothing on the flop, yet you call a check-raise, and you even re-raise the turn with nothing? I guess it is a question of read, maybe he is a player who bet with nothing, a total chump? but still, I would bet the flop when checked to me 100%, but if check-raised fold 100% you really cant continue with this hand, since trip fives is a reasonable treat, and you would be drawing compleatly dead, there will be better times to get your money in. if he is a thinking player, he will understand you have a big hand since you raised pre-flop, and when bet in to you?! he is probably not bluffing cus he knows your most likely hand is to be Ax, I would guess he have a ten with a somewhat kicker, AT KT QT? since he just call your turn raise, (nobody would just call with trip fives) he check raise you on the flop!, he can only do that with either five or a ten good kicker, raising a flushdraw is -EV in this spot so you can rule that out if he is a good player