T9s trips river fold

yellowjack · #1 11-23-2007, 02:26 AM

Players saying that this is a call PF are overestimating their postflop expectation.

milesdyson · #2 11-23-2007, 02:44 AM

but still, it is ten nine suited. it has to be close. pairs are good in Lhe and this hand can make decent ones, flushes, and the max # of straights.

Wolfram · #3 11-23-2007, 07:23 AM

Can we stop talking about pf please, cause it is close to irrelevant in this hand. If it is a mistake, it's a very small one, as opposed to heros river fold that cost him 17.5BB (yes, I think UTG is overcalling).

efficacy,
I'm not saying I think this is very easy decision at the table. The action certainly tells us that we should be beat. I just think you need better reads to make hero-folds like these.

And if you stove it you'll see that it's an easy decision.

Edit: Happy bday!

milesdyson · #4 11-23-2007, 03:53 PM

hero's fold didn't cost him 17.5 bb lol. if it cost him 17.5 bb do you think he'd fold there (winning 100% of the time)?

evne if you assume hero wins 10% of the time (he doesn't), this fold costs a whole 0.85 bets.

Apanage · #5 11-24-2007, 01:39 PM

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hero's fold didn't cost him 17.5 bb lol. if it cost him 17.5 bb do you think he'd fold there (winning 100% of the time)?

evne if you assume hero wins 10% of the time (he doesn't), this fold costs a whole 0.85 bets.

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Even if that is a correct analysis about average calculated cost facing a lot of similar decisions ,the fact remains that the actual cost of Hero:s river fold this hand is 17.5 BB. So you can´t say that Wolfram was wrong claiming this.

Wolfram · #6 11-24-2007, 04:21 PM

Apanage,
I was thinking about Miles' comment and he is actually right imo.

The fold is not a 17.5BB mistake. Saying that is results oriented.

efficacy · #7 11-24-2007, 04:43 PM

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Apanage,
I was thinking about Miles' comment and he is actually right imo.

The fold is not a 17.5BB mistake. Saying that is results oriented.

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Correct. If both players turned their hands face up on the river, THEN I folded, it would then be a 17.5BB mistake.

mvoss · #8 11-23-2007, 06:38 AM

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Players saying that this is a call PF are overestimating their postflop expectation.

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No they are not.