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Old 11-19-2007, 12:12 PM
DenniBoy DenniBoy is offline
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Default AKs - nut flush draw + overcards on turn. How do you play it?

Villain is 31/23/3 of 300 hands, no other reads. I play at this table for 2 orbits, not getting any playable hand before this one.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 max, 6 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($95.26)
UTG ($50)
Hero ($49)
CO ($53.97)
Button ($39.62)
SB ($35.54)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $6.50, UTG folds.

Flop: ($16.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($16.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $11</font>, Hero ???

I think between calling/pushing here. With nut flush draw and two overcards on FLOP I definitly push (with ~50% hitting flush or overcard), but on TURN I am getting near ~33%. What do you do here, guys?
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:17 PM
Nemesis69 Nemesis69 is offline
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Default Re: AKs - nut flush draw + overcards on turn. How do you play it?

I shove. I think BB just wants to buy the pot here. He will fold more often than not.
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:22 PM
Malifous Malifous is offline
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Default Re: AKs - nut flush draw + overcards on turn. How do you play it?

I fold it because i dont think you have enough equity.
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:25 PM
creamfillin creamfillin is offline
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Default Re: AKs - nut flush draw + overcards on turn. How do you play it?

The hell aren't we betting this flop?
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:30 PM
vieira10 vieira10 is offline
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Default Re: AKs - nut flush draw + overcards on turn. How do you play it?

I think i fold this. Your assuming your overcards are clean outs. I dont think this is true all the time. I think you need a little more money in the pot to make this a shove. He cold-called a 3bet out of position, how often is he bluffing here?
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: AKs - nut flush draw + overcards on turn. How do you play it?

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The hell aren't we betting this flop?

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Old 11-19-2007, 02:07 PM
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Default Re: AKs - nut flush draw + overcards on turn. How do you play it?

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The hell aren't we betting this flop?

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Very true...you lost the advantage that position gave you in seeing where you are at in this hand. Much easier to get away from this hand on the flop if he re-pops your cbet.

As played though, I think I either shove or fold. I don't see cold calling as a correct play here.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:20 PM
Somnius Somnius is offline
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Default Re: AKs - nut flush draw + overcards on turn. How do you play it?

27.25/11 = 2.5:1 = 28%

9 outs (flush) + lets say your overcards are only good 2 thirds of the time 4 outs (overcards) = 13 outs = 25%ish chance of hitting on river...

Pot odds alone basically warrant a call...implied odds....

Not only could you call, but if you pushed here, he'd only have to fold like 3-5% of the time to make it profitable with your outs...if he calls only with a set, then it's a diff story, but if he'd call the push with KQ, even AK, would still leave you with 12 outs in either situation...

I'd generally call this, but depending on player and what he's doing, I'd sometimes push...calling also has the adv of putting you in position on the river against a potential turn bluffer...
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: AKs - nut flush draw + overcards on turn. How do you play it?

I don't think this guy is folding to a push.
As played I call and then check/fold river if I miss.
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