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Old 10-19-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: Reraised pots are a random roulette?

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Old 10-19-2007, 04:07 PM
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1)well explain where is the skill having QQ in a reraised pot and being committed with a flop without A or K?
2)Having AK and flopping K with opponent on AA or KQ is skill?I mean it s skill if he is on kq and unlucky if it s on AA?
....and so on...
Vs aggressive players just u can t fold and if u are running bad on reraised pots u will have negative sessions because it s where most of the money comes from
Instead of saying "no it isn t" or TPTK gogo...try to elaborate...if u can.

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Old 10-22-2007, 03:13 AM
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its called hand reading
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Old 10-22-2007, 04:40 AM
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1)well explain where is the skill having QQ in a reraised pot and being committed with a flop without A or K?
2)Having AK and flopping K with opponent on AA or KQ is skill?I mean it s skill if he is on kq and unlucky if it s on AA?
....and so on...

You've got to know when to holdem. Know when to foldem. Know when to walk away. And know when to run. I can see you're out of aces, for a taste of your whiskey, I'll give you some advice........
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Old 10-22-2007, 04:56 AM
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Default Re: Reraised pots are a random roulette?

Once the third bet goes in it basically becomes just a game of chance. Funny how that happens.
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:58 AM
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Default Re: Reraised pots are a random roulette?

to at least try and give a serious answer to the OP's Question:

you will come accross Quite a few (but by no means all) 3-bet pots where (if the stacks aren't very deep) both players are committed to the pot, and will pretty much always get it in, no matter how good or bad they are (they're usually refered to as coolers).

because these will be some of the biggest pots of the session, whether you win or lose a particular session will often be determined by luck, yes. but that's just because a session is a ridiculously small sample size, and so variance will often overwhelm any skill difference between you and your opponents. coolers are just part of the variance of poker - over the long run, they will even out, and your long term results will be determined by areas where skill does come more into play. often, this will be in smaller pots, where players aren't already commited, and so they can seem trivial compared to the bigger pots it's hard for you to do anything about, but they still add up and make a huge difference to your longer term results
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Old 10-22-2007, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: Reraised pots are a random roulette?

this thread needs more alliteration.

is checkraise cramming capricious craps?
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:42 AM
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When stacks are small (100BB and less) the postflop play of 3-bet pots will be a game of high variance and it will seem like it's just luck in the short run, who has TPTK and who has the big draw, or whos got the higher overpair. In this situation a lot of the expected value of the better player comes from adjusting his preflop ranges to the table dynamics and other players. This way, the decisions in the hand are already made once the preflop action is closed (this is true when preflop ranges are tight enough to commit on any flop they connect with and stack sizes allow it). Of course I am not saying every 3-bet pot is just deciding preflop whether or not to go with it, but that is where your feeling of "random roulette" comes from, Alex. The postlop action is very limited, thus you need to select profitable hand ranges preflop to make a profit in the postflop roulette.

Bleh this is such a ramble but I hope I made a point.
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:58 AM
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this thread needs more alliteration.

is checkraise cramming capricious craps?

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Formation of flop floats force flagrant folds?
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Old 10-25-2007, 09:59 AM
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No obviously but what matters most are the reraised pots.
Don t u agree?
And reraised pots are more easy to play for sure than raised pots with everyone committing with TPTK.

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Wait are you saying whoever wins/loses the big pots normally wins/loses money on the session?
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