Politics Boycott

[Mat Sklansky]

this is the accusation i would be happy to hear more about if people feel like staying on topic and have any real hope that i'll take the complaints seriously.

[AlexM]

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Gimmick account of Snowtrollball?

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You should be banned / suspended for constantly making snide remarks like this. I\f you don't like Snowball's posts, address his arguments. I personally disagree with most of his posts but he argues them sincerely. He is most definitely NOT a troll. Comments like those of yours above are trolling, indeed.

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Snowball does the same thing to him too, so if you're gonna ban one, gotta ban both.

[Kaj]

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Gimmick account of Snowtrollball?

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You should be banned / suspended for constantly making snide remarks like this. I\f you don't like Snowball's posts, address his arguments. I personally disagree with most of his posts but he argues them sincerely. He is most definitely NOT a troll. Comments like those of yours above are trolling, indeed.

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Snowball does the same thing to him too, so if you're gonna ban one, gotta ban both.

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That's fine. I think BLUFFTHISTROLL fits nicely.

[pvn]

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this is the accusation i would be happy to hear more about if people feel like staying on topic and have any real hope that i'll take the complaints seriously.

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Hi Mat,

I think the fact that discussion that *should* go in politics is spilling all over the place in ATF is pretty strong evidence that the moderation in politics is not working.

Sure, there were complaints *about* politics in ATF before, but now you're waist-deep in actual political arguments because the discussion is being actively driven out by jman220 (and supposedly [censored], but last time I looked over there, [censored] had not made any new pronouncements himself, jman was just claiming that he was simply relaying [censored]'s edicts).

[ShakeZula06]

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and supposedly [censored], but last time I looked over there, [censored] had not made any new pronouncements himself, jman was just claiming that he was simply relaying [censored]'s edicts

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That this was [censored]'s edict is complete BS. [censored] supposedly (not debating that he did, just that it hasn't been shown, or if it has been I haven't seen it) suggested it months ago. Jman, upset at the ACists for poking holes in his moderation policy, decided to take it up. Declaring it "[censored]'s edict" is just a way to try to make it seem that Jman is not the one responsible. [censored] has been completely non-existent in the politics forum for awhile now.

[Phil153]

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I think the fact that discussion that *should* go in politics is spilling all over the place in ATF is pretty strong evidence that the moderation in politics is not working.

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No, it's pretty strong evidence that a few specific posters are loud troublemakers.



Have a look at the thread starters in ATF - and the majority of the thread participants. It's the same few people as always, and their attitude is the same regardless of forum or issue.

[ShakeZula06]

Yes, since we're upset with the moderation we're "loud troublemakers".

Still waiting for you to link to those posts where those four ACists are unreasonable and dogmatic also.

[bkholdem]

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- 6/6 of my best friends over the last 13 years were jewish
- My girlfriend of 2 1/2 years was jewish
- I did a lot of volunteer work at a jewish community center
- I'm part of the bone marrow donors program set up by Israel.
- My martial arts instructor is jewish
- My dad is half jewish
- a lot of my favorite authors are jewish
- My posting record of attacking real anti-semites

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"But, But, Some of my best friends are Black!"

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exactly what I was thinking

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I don't read any of the Israel threads or whatever threads jman and snowball are interacting on so have no context and the following may not be applicible in this case, but: commenting 'some of my best friends are black' is indicitive of an attitude of someone who is assuming the person is guilty until proven innocent.

[Dan.]

Okay, no need to boycott. They're closing politics down. So, politics regulars, where can we go to keep up the chatter? I like discussing with you fellas.

[pvn]

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I think the fact that discussion that *should* go in politics is spilling all over the place in ATF is pretty strong evidence that the moderation in politics is not working.

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No, it's pretty strong evidence that a few specific posters are loud troublemakers.

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Have a look at the thread starters in ATF - and the majority of the thread participants. It's the same few people as always, and their attitude is the same regardless of forum or issue.

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And all of those OPs are actual ATF content. I'm talking about poltical discussion (eg by-tor's troll and all the people he drug along), not discussion *about* the politics *forum*. If the mods were doing their job, that stuff would be where it's supposed to be.