10NL standard?

anthb7210p · #1 10-09-2007, 12:40 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($10.25)
Hero ($13.45)
CO ($5.55)
Button ($20.80)
SB ($10.40)
BB ($8.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.4, 3 folds, BB calls $0.30.

Flop: ($0.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.7, BB raises to $1.7, Hero raises to $3

no reads no history

what range do you put villan on

Shattered · #2 10-09-2007, 12:52 AM

I really don't like the 3-bet, especially since you don't have the Ad. You have almost no fold equity here: People at 10NL never fold once they've shown the slightest bit of aggression, and his raise is definitely not weak. Besides, it's way too small.
It's a tough spot, but raising was the worst of your options: You're not folding out anything and he doesn't have worse than A high.
Calling and reevaluating turn is probably what I do in the moment, which now that I think of it might be a leak because of reverse implied odds despite being laid 3:1 to hit your diamond/overcards. You're out of position and not getting paid off by really anything except maybe a confused Qd if you hit the flush, and you really can't afford to get into a big pot if you hit a pair.
Just folding feels really weak, but BB says he has a big hand you can usually believe unknowns at 10NL. It's probably your best option.

anthb7210p · #3 10-09-2007, 01:29 AM

But i have more than A hi..I have 6 outs for the A and the K, 3 outs for the 5's, and 7 for the flush cards (assuming he doesn't have Ad)..16 outs
I'm having trouble figuring out if this is a +EV move because villan's range is so wide

Schiester · #4 10-09-2007, 01:42 AM

I hate playing this turn. Hard to range him out without stats, but lets say he's calling a standard pfr from the BB w any pp's from 22-TT, AJ+, ATs+, Axs... maybe SCs from 56s+.

The question is, whats he min-raising with?

Getting caught up in the momment I would also probably have called the minraise. However, I'm not so sure thats the best thing against an unknown; okay if you're in position I guess. You have the 3rd nut flush draw and two overcards on a board that doesn't get much more drawy.

At this level I'm thinking he's either pricing you out of drawing or trying to extract a bit of coin with a hand that has you beat if you hit a pair... or he's one of those guys that usually plays limit.

I'm not willing to bet my stack on any turn card being a true out here (save Ad.. even then not 100% really).

Probably best to fold to this c/minraise OOP.

Still glad you potted the flop though. Its these hands that make me reconsider c-betting from time to time.

Lego05 · #5 10-09-2007, 01:42 AM

This is not a play to be used often on a board like this. However, sometimes I think this can be a good although high variance play. Not sure I'd do it against an unknown but maybe. However, you gotta put him all-in with your 3bet.

Schiester · #6 10-09-2007, 01:43 AM

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But i have more than A hi..I have 6 outs for the A and the K, 3 outs for the 5's, and 7 for the flush cards (assuming he doesn't have Ad)..16 outs
I'm having trouble figuring out if this is a +EV move because villan's range is so wide

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His range is high pf... NOT after he's minraised flop imo.

Lego05 · #7 10-09-2007, 01:45 AM

I'd guess villian could have a made flush, but this is IMO pretty unlikely. Could have a lone Ad or Ad with a pair which would be real bad for you.. Some midpair 55-TT type hand. Maybe 56.

Lego05 · #8 10-09-2007, 01:51 AM

He could have a set too actually.

I dunno...I may have changed my mind. With a read this could be good, but he's gotta have midpair hand or air or a draw with no pair an awful lot here.

bryan4967 · #9 10-09-2007, 02:16 AM

he's probably ahead but i've lost plenty with the non nfd here

JoseRijo · #10 10-09-2007, 02:15 PM

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But i have more than A hi..I have 6 outs for the A and the K, 3 outs for the 5's, and 7 for the flush cards (assuming he doesn't have Ad)..16 outs
I'm having trouble figuring out if this is a +EV move because villan's range is so wide

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But where's the fold equity in your raise? That's where the +EV comes from in a move like this. If you're going to do it, I think you should shove.