TP OTB multiway - Turn question

nightwood · #1 07-31-2007, 07:48 AM

Table is LP. UTG plays loose but not unreasonable and is running hot. No real reads on the others.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB folds, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
 UTG bets , UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Hero ??

So what is the line here ? Turn-betting with middle pair is well in UTGs range. Pocket 44 / 66 or 2pair is also possible.
What do I do UI on the river if UTG donks again. Is downcalling the way to go ?

Thanx.

fabadam · #2 07-31-2007, 07:57 AM

Considering this is .02/.04, I could well see him do this with any Ax, any pair and of course 2-pair and set. I'd treat this a WA/WB, where I think I'm WA more often than WB. So I raise one more time, but will call down after a 3-bet.
At this limit, I'm only folding if I have a read/stats for him being very passive.

nightwood · #3 07-31-2007, 08:25 AM

I always feel quite uncomfortable in these situations (multiway with vulnerable hand) because I can never seem to get a grip on against what I am up. The usual slowplayed sets, the calling-stations chasing weird draws or whatever. I'd feel way better with this table if it were HU.

Bona · #4 07-31-2007, 09:17 AM

IMO a turn raise would be pointless. Really I'm comfortable with calling down. But probably fold if if UTG+1 or MP3 raises the river.

NIX · #5 07-31-2007, 12:00 PM

I usually call down here, including the river if he bets again, which he probably will. I won't call two UI though.

NIX · #6 07-31-2007, 12:02 PM

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Considering this is .02/.04, I could well see him do this with any Ax, any pair and of course 2-pair and set. I'd treat this a WA/WB, where I think I'm WA more often than WB. So I raise one more time, but will call down after a 3-bet.
At this limit, I'm only folding if I have a read/stats for him being very passive.

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How often do you think you're WA here, considering that not only is there the guy donking, but there are also two guys calling these bets?

Landonfan · #7 07-31-2007, 12:54 PM

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Considering this is .02/.04, I could well see him do this with any Ax, any pair and of course 2-pair and set. I'd treat this a WA/WB, where I think I'm WA more often than WB. So I raise one more time, but will call down after a 3-bet.
At this limit, I'm only folding if I have a read/stats for him being very passive.

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How often do you think you're WA here, considering that not only is there the guy donking, but there are also two guys calling these bets?

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You must not play much .02/.04 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. It wouldn't surprise for UTG to show down Kx, much less Ax. The two cold-callers can easily have gutshots/any pair, and I really doubt that they have you beat. Raise the turn, and call down if you get 3-bet. And don't call two or more on the river UI.

nightwood · #8 07-31-2007, 01:03 PM

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The two cold-callers can easily have gutshots/any pair, and I really doubt that they have you beat.

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I'm not so sure about that. I played my 200 hands today same limit and I got twice whipped when AA/QQ played slooowly. No PFR, first lead/raise on the river.

Landonfan · #9 07-31-2007, 01:17 PM

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The two cold-callers can easily have gutshots/any pair, and I really doubt that they have you beat.

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I'm not so sure about that. I played my 200 hands today same limit and I got twice whipped when AA/QQ played slooowly. No PFR, first lead/raise on the river.

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If the .02/.04 games have toughened up post-legislation, then online poker is doomed anyway.

nightwood · #10 07-31-2007, 01:32 PM

*lol*

Anyway, I decided to raise because I wasn't convinced that UTG had me beat and it went like this.

Turn: (11.25 BB) [4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (23.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 27.25 BB