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06-27-2007, 02:42 PM
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Re: \"I Check / Raise In the Dark.\" Is the Raise Binding?
My cynical side wants to guess that the other 25% are people trying to find new angles to shoot.
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#32
06-27-2007, 03:34 PM
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Re: \"I Check / Raise In the Dark.\" Is the Raise Binding?
Check raise in the dark not only is stupid, but the only way to check raise in the dark is if you are heads up and say check in the dark and the person behind you says bet in the dark and you say raise in the dark. but then you are just back to where you started so, whats the point of checking in the dark.
This is binding.
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#33
06-27-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: \"I Check / Raise In the Dark.\" Is the Raise Binding?
I was recently surprised to witness an argument between a local and a tourist at a NL table at the Mirage, and the floor there confirmed that in that room (which he described as "serious"), a verbal declaration -- even out of turn -- is binding.
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#34
06-27-2007, 03:57 PM
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Re: \"I Check / Raise In the Dark.\" Is the Raise Binding?
Wouldn't saying check, and raise dark, before the other action occurs also violate no string betting rules? You essentially bet zero, and before another action, are raising.
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#35
06-27-2007, 04:02 PM
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Re: \"I Check / Raise In the Dark.\" Is the Raise Binding?
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Some (most?) floor people don't care about hypotheicical situations. [/ QUOTE ] In other words, they really don't care much about poker rules. They only care about putting out fires.
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#36
06-27-2007, 04:24 PM
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Re: \"I Check / Raise In the Dark.\" Is the Raise Binding?
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How many times has a player said in first position, "if you bet, I'm all-in". And then after a bet he folds. No way an out of turn verbal declaration is binding. [/ QUOTE ] The question is not whether an out of turn declaration is binding, the question is "what is in turn"? For example, you are in the SB and preflop betting is over, with you still in the hand. Before the dealer deals the flop, you declare "check in the dark". So, have you acted out of turn or not? If not, then your declaration should be binding.
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#37
06-27-2007, 04:26 PM
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Re: \"I Check / Raise In the Dark.\" Is the Raise Binding?
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Actually, any verbal action is binding, even if out of turn. This is of course casino dependent. [/ QUOTE ] Then it must not be "any verbal action". [ QUOTE ] Example, if a player announces all in out of turn, and then everyone checks to him, he has to go all in. Now if somebody makes a new action before his turn, he can change his mind. [/ QUOTE ] That makes no sense at all. There can't be "new action" because there was never any action to begin with. You can't say the action is binding if the players before him check, and not binding if they bet. Both are equally valid actions.
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#38
06-27-2007, 04:42 PM
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Re: \"I Check / Raise In the Dark.\" Is the Raise Binding?
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[ QUOTE ] How many times has a player said in first position, "if you bet, I'm all-in". And then after a bet he folds. No way an out of turn verbal declaration is binding. [/ QUOTE ] Funny this is mentioned, I came in here to post about an incident at the showboat a few months ago. 1/2 table next to me erupts in arguments over this exact thing. After 10 minutes one of the players comes to play at our table and tells us the story. The action is on the river and an older guy checks to the agressor of the whole hand. While the guy is counting chips to make a bet the guy says to him "I know you're bluffing, i'll call any bet you throw out there" The player asked if the move was binding and when it was he went all in and the guy flips out saying it wasnt binding at all. Eventually the floor decided that it WAS a verbal move and he lost all his chips. [/ QUOTE ] This is awesome. Hope it taught the old angler-shooter a lesson.
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#39
06-27-2007, 11:57 PM
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Re: \"I Check / Raise In the Dark.\" Is the Raise Binding?
Actually at Venetian, it could be binding. Limit game. After the flop, under the gun, I tapped the table and said "Check-Raise". It was obviously a joke, as I was the first to act. The dealer said that action was now binding. I could not believe it and called the floor. The floor backed the dealer up, but told me he would let it go "this time only".
I was appalled. Has anyone ever run into this before???
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#40
06-28-2007, 01:09 AM
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Re: \"I Check / Raise In the Dark.\" Is the Raise Binding?
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Actually at Venetian, it could be binding. Limit game. After the flop, under the gun, I tapped the table and said "Check-Raise". It was obviously a joke, as I was the first to act. The dealer said that action was now binding. I could not believe it and called the floor. The floor backed the dealer up, but told me he would let it go "this time only". I was appalled. Has anyone ever run into this before??? [/ QUOTE ] Note to self...watch out for what I say in jest at Venetian next time I'm in Vegas, because some floorperson may think "check-raise" when you're first to act will be binding. I would have asked the floor person if I would have to raise no matter how many bets there were to me. Next guy bets, then a raise, then a 3-bet, do I have to cap? That should've confused him. Either he didn't know what he was talking about or didn't want to show up his dealer in front of the table.
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