Ruling Question: Oversize Chip Thrown On Top of Blind

[Greg (FossilMan)]

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What if the guy pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 100 and the 500 together?

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What if he pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 500?

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Also an obv raise...if he leaves out the small blind and puts in an oversized chip its an auto call. This was like the first thing i learned at dealers school.

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Sorry, pretty sure you're wrong. Pulling in the 100, then tossing out the single 500 chip without saying anything is a call. The simplest way to explain the rule is that you must either verbally announce the raise, or you must MOVE two or more chips at the same time.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

[sketchy1]

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What if the guy pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 100 and the 500 together?

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What if he pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 500?

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Also an obv raise...if he leaves out the small blind and puts in an oversized chip its an auto call. This was like the first thing i learned at dealers school.

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Sorry, pretty sure you're wrong. Pulling in the 100, then tossing out the single 500 chip without saying anything is a call. The simplest way to explain the rule is that you must either verbally announce the raise, or you must MOVE two or more chips at the same time.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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def not a raise. again this is an oversized chip. it would be no different than if you were in the large blind for 300, and tossed a 5k chip in after someone raised to 1k. this is a call, as is pulling back the sb and putting in an oversized chip.

good rule of thumb. unless you're throwing out more than one chip at a time, announce raise. otherwise, one chip tossed out is always going to be a call in no limit when there's action ahead of you. i can't think of a situation where you don't state raise and toss an oversized chip that it wouldn't be a call.

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i can't think of a situation where you don't state raise and toss an oversized chip that it wouldn't be a call.


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There is one, but it isn't NL and it isn't a tournament. I have no idea if they still do this, but traditionally playing 100-200 stud putting in a single 100 chip on third street was considered completing the bet because it was such a common thing.

[Ramon Scott]

How about small NL 1-3 cash game... $6 straddle is on, player tosses in two five dollar chips without any statement?

[Todd Terry]

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What if the guy pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 100 and the 500 together?

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What if he pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 500?

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I have fairly consistently seen this ruled a raise.

[xxrod17xx]

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What if the guy pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 100 and the 500 together?

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What if he pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 500?

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I have fairly consistently seen this ruled a raise.

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I was told in dealers school to use my disgresion with this one. I said it was an obv raise before, and greg as well as other peoples rulings (whom I trust more than my teachers in most cases) disagreed. I was told today that it can go either way. I don't think this is the case. It is either a raise or a call. Based on the fact that the player says nothing i take my previous statement back and also agree that it has to be a call weather you have seen it ruled a raise or not.

[shaniac]

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What if the guy pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 100 and the 500 together?

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What if he pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 500?

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I have fairly consistently seen this ruled a raise.

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I haven't.

At Bellagio, during a 100/200 level, I threw in a 500 chip on top of my 100 small blind, intending to make it 600. It was ruled a call.

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How about small NL 1-3 cash game... $6 straddle is on, player tosses in two five dollar chips without any statement?

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That is clearly a call.

[gobboboy]

Why? You're throwing out two chips and the required raise is to 12 (or is it 9?) so either way you've gone over half the legal raise amount, right?

The straddle raise size is also messing with my head, I might just be tired though.

[Todd Terry]

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What if the guy pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 100 and the 500 together?

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What if he pulls in the 100 and then throws out the 500?

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I have fairly consistently seen this ruled a raise.

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I haven't.

At Bellagio, during a 100/200 level, I threw in a 500 chip on top of my 100 small blind, intending to make it 600. It was ruled a call.

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It's always a call at the Bellagio. In fact, every time there's an argument about it here on the East Coast, I say, "It's a call at the Bellagio."