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#11
10-20-2007, 01:28 PM
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Re: Caesar\'s $1500: Help, I\'m Addicted to Suited Connectors
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fold or push pre, now bet ~1200 and call a push or push any turn yourself if called. just pushing the flop is fine too but I think betting 1200 shows more strength. [/ QUOTE ] pushing pre sounds a little much given the situation...pushing flop more reasonable 
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#12
10-20-2007, 01:30 PM
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Re: Caesar\'s $1500: Help, I\'m Addicted to Suited Connectors
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4 other people in, right? just CR AI unless his cbet's tiny [/ QUOTE ] We'd have like no FE that way any c-bet is building the pot enough to where they can't reasonably fold. [/ QUOTE ] It's a live donkament. Going all in makes them fold. Just betting out less than all in makes them call with AK. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah so go all-in on the flop?
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#14
10-20-2007, 01:49 PM
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Re: Caesar\'s $1500: Help, I\'m Addicted to Suited Connectors
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wardeker: what other hands would u push on this flop tho? [/ QUOTE ] live: Ive seen people push any pair here trying to just take down the pot rather than c-raise vs what they think are overcards. A push here is fine because if they have overcards we win the pot, if they have high pocket pair then we were going to get the money in anyway, unless you called PF to fold one of the best flops you could get.
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#16
10-20-2007, 02:17 PM
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Re: Caesar\'s $1500: Help, I\'m Addicted to Suited Connectors
I like leading this flop since you don'teven have 2xPSB behind. I don't mind the PF call this tourney was suppppper weak and getting a stack was the best thing ever.
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#17
10-20-2007, 02:19 PM
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Re: Caesar\'s $1500: Help, I\'m Addicted to Suited Connectors
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4 other people in, right? just CR AI unless his cbet's tiny [/ QUOTE ] We'd have like no FE that way any c-bet is building the pot enough to where they can't reasonably fold. [/ QUOTE ] It's a live donkament. Going all in makes them fold. Just betting out less than all in makes them call with AK. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah so go all-in on the flop? [/ QUOTE ] but then you miss out on when this guy bets out 600 chips or w/e
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#18
10-20-2007, 02:29 PM
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Re: Caesar\'s $1500: Help, I\'m Addicted to Suited Connectors
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4 other people in, right? just CR AI unless his cbet's tiny [/ QUOTE ] We'd have like no FE that way any c-bet is building the pot enough to where they can't reasonably fold. [/ QUOTE ] It's a live donkament. Going all in makes them fold. Just betting out less than all in makes them call with AK. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah so go all-in on the flop? [/ QUOTE ] but then you miss out on when this guy bets out 600 chips or w/e [/ QUOTE ] Who is bet/folding here?
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#19
10-20-2007, 02:52 PM
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Re: Caesar\'s $1500: Help, I\'m Addicted to Suited Connectors
guys who have erratic cbet sizes and bet 1/3 the pot in a live donkament
note that it's also entirely possible for him to bet, like, 300, in which case you just call
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#20
10-20-2007, 03:02 PM
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Re: Caesar\'s $1500: Help, I\'m Addicted to Suited Connectors
m = 2650 / 150 = 17.67
implied odds = 2800 / 200 = 14 Fold pre. You don't have big enough implied odds to play a SC for stacks (which for this M is too likely to be how the line goes to discount it). flop pot = 1250 stack = 2250 Betting is bad because you commit yourself to a line that has much worse reward/risk than avg for your M. What is your table image? Would they believe open-push might be 2P set ? Or would they put you on SD ? MP1's raise looks to me like TT+, but you're saying he might do that with AK AQ ? Plus 2 of the stacks are largish. Seems too murky to open-push, but might work. CRAI v 4 opponents seems problematic. By the time the action gets back to you you might be making a pot-size bet. I don't see the FE here. Looks like you have to check and hope you're given decent odds to draw.
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