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Old 10-14-2007, 08:28 AM
sternroolz sternroolz is offline
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Default Should this have been a bet/fold situation?

Commerce $20-40. Villian is a loose passive player. He has gotten aggressive a couple times very briefly and in extremely spazzy ways. I at one time in the past thought he was a pretty decent player. I was wrong. He had been playing in the $40-80 and recently started playing more $20-40. I think a few of the $40-80 players are still crying.

I raise A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG+1. A caller and villian calls in BB. Flop is KJx rainbow. I bet, fold, villian calls. Turn is a brick. I fire again and again villian calls. River is a jack. He checks, I check.

So is check ok here or is this b/f?
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Old 10-14-2007, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: Should this have been a bet/fold situation?

Unless I knew this guy to be an inveterate river check-raiser, which are few and far between in the 20-40 at Commerce, and not that common in the 40-80, I would bet here virtually 100% of the time.
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Old 10-14-2007, 10:56 AM
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Default Re: Should this have been a bet/fold situation?

bet/doesnt matter >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> check.
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Old 10-14-2007, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: Should this have been a bet/fold situation?

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bet/doesnt matter >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> check.

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Old 10-14-2007, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: Should this have been a bet/fold situation?

With your description I'm bet/calling.

Folding at any point seems bad.
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Old 10-14-2007, 02:08 PM
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Default Re: Should this have been a bet/fold situation?

This is one of those spots where even if you call a raise 100% of the time and lose, its still correct to bet. That said, I b/f this live but I dont know what kind of spazzy stuff hes done. Its very rare to see a river c/r bluff though even from the spazziest players.
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Old 10-14-2007, 04:40 PM
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Default Re: Should this have been a bet/fold situation?

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This is one of those spots where even if you call a raise 100% of the time and lose, its still correct to bet. That said, I b/f this live but I dont know what kind of spazzy stuff hes done. Its very rare to see a river c/r bluff though even from the spazziest players.

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There is zero % chance he c/r the river with less than a jack.
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Old 10-14-2007, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: Should this have been a bet/fold situation?

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This is one of those spots where even if you call a raise 100% of the time and lose, its still correct to bet. That said, I b/f this live but I dont know what kind of spazzy stuff hes done. Its very rare to see a river c/r bluff though even from the spazziest players.

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There is zero % chance he c/r the river with less than a jack.

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My point is that there's so much value in a bet that it doesnt matter if you call and lose when he raises. Betting will still show a profit.
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:23 AM
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Default Re: Should this have been a bet/fold situation?

The river is a must bet. What to do if you get raised is highly player dependent.
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:30 AM
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Default Re: Should this have been a bet/fold situation?

I would have bet any pocket pair that was higher than whatever X on the flop was on the river.
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