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Old 08-18-2007, 04:11 PM
Irish Mafia Irish Mafia is offline
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Villain is HenryII. I don't have much of a read on him otherwise as we don't have much personal history. But he runs at 22/16.7/3.70. Thoughts?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $1,851.00
BB: $272.00
UTG: $1,048.00
Hero (BTN): $995.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $35.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $125.00</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $90.00

Flop: ($265) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $220.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $220.00 returned to UTG

Pot Size: $265.00 ($2 Rake)
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:35 PM
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Default Re: fold JJ on raggy flop too weak?

Um push?
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: fold JJ on raggy flop too weak?

Not much sense in three betting pre if you plan to simply muck on a 5 high board.
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: fold JJ on raggy flop too weak?

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Um push?

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Thanks for the insighfulness. This is AA/KK (or big hearts) a lot imo. I've shown a LOT of strength and he donk bets into me almost full pot.
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:39 PM
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Not much sense in three betting pre if you plan to simply muck on a 5 high board.

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LOL. Usually the plan isn't for the caller to bet right into you either. What kind of comment is this?
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:40 PM
Teh1337zor Teh1337zor is offline
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Default Re: fold JJ on raggy flop too weak?

i dont think AA/KK cold calls a 3bet and then donks very often
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:44 PM
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Default Re: fold JJ on raggy flop too weak?

Why in the holy heavens would someone do this w/ 88 or some other hand I beat? Conceivably he has 6x of hearts or big hearts, and i'm racing. This is rarely total air imo.
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: fold JJ on raggy flop too weak?

I don't know how good HenryII is, but I would love his play here with a big hand to induce a shove from Ax/hearts. I think this bet would suck for any other purpose.

However, you do have an overpair 4 handed vs. an aggro player.
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: fold JJ on raggy flop too weak?

1) If you're sure that this is AA/KK/big hearts, and that no way in holy heavens would someone do this with "88" etc, not much reason to post asking for advice, is there?

2) Comment is a good one and entirely valid. If you're going to three bet pre and not take into account the texture of the board, but simply base a decision on whether or not you get lead into, you may as well play without looking at your cards. You have no previous history with this guy to indicate that he'd raise/call a three bet pre and then donk the flop OOP?
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: fold JJ on raggy flop too weak?

Tank and shove. If he got you beat, take a note.
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