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Old 08-17-2007, 08:55 PM
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Default Can i lay down my flush?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $2109
Button: $953.20
hero: $1980
BB: $2365

Pre-flop: (4 players) hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $40</font>, hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($100, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets $65</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($230, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets $170</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $340</font>.

Villain is loose passive, no further read
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Old 08-17-2007, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: Can i lay down my flush?

This screams strength to me, especially from a passive person. It looks like he has a flush or a boat... but yet he could perhaps be doing this w/ a naked J and since he mini-raised we have great odds. So no, I don't think we should fold now. I would probably call turn and c/c blank river.
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Old 08-17-2007, 09:20 PM
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Default Re: Can i lay down my flush?

NO
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Old 08-17-2007, 09:30 PM
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Default Re: Can i lay down my flush?

Are you winnar @ 10/20? yo
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Old 08-17-2007, 09:44 PM
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Default Re: Can i lay down my flush?

You can find a fold here. Tough to do so without at least calling and seeing a river, but let's consider the possibilities here.

House or higher flush, you're drawing dead. Given the flop call and turn min raise from a passive player, entirely possible.

Jx? If so, he may have a hand like JcQd etc, which is going to get there against you a fair amount of the time. Would also make sense with his line.

We don't crush anything. Pretty damn unlikely he has a lower flush and he's have to be a robust uberdonk to minraise the turn with a naked Ace or Jx with no diamond. I really don't think you fare well against his range.
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Old 08-18-2007, 05:01 AM
Hattifnatt Hattifnatt is offline
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Default Re: Can i lay down my flush?

Fold preflop, if he had a full stack calling is not that bad even though 3-betting or folding prolly is best.

Push the turn, even though folding might have slightly higher EV you def dont lose very much by getting it in there vs a 50bb stack. Since he is passive I prefer pushing to calling and c/c any blank river.
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Old 08-18-2007, 07:33 AM
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Default Re: Can i lay down my flush?

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Fold preflop, if he had a full stack calling is not that bad even though 3-betting or folding prolly is best.

Push the turn, even though folding might have slightly higher EV you def dont lose very much by getting it in there vs a 50bb stack. Since he is passive I prefer pushing to calling and c/c any blank river.

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Ah, didn't notice he was a shorty... this makes it an easy push. But against a 100bb stack I would prefer calling turn and c/c blank river.
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Old 08-18-2007, 08:36 AM
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Default Re: Can i lay down my flush?

Ya with the stack sizes calling turn and c/cing river would be pretty nasty. If you call turn then push river instead of going for a c/c.

Turn is a push though!
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Old 08-18-2007, 09:17 AM
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Default Re: Can i lay down my flush?

If he has 47 BB's preflop, just fold to his p/f raise. As played I also didn't notice he was short, so I suppose you can get the money in here. I'd be surprised if you have any shipped back in front of you though.
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Old 08-18-2007, 09:40 AM
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Default Re: Can i lay down my flush?

Because of the fact you lead the flop I don't think you can fold. Even though he's loose passive, he may have a jack, he has a halfstack he's obviously a losingplayer, I think we have to felt this.
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