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08-06-2007, 11:13 PM
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50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
Villain is spectrum1234. I don't know his game real well but based on this session, he hates folding and is very aggressive, even a little spewy. Raise or call river? If you raise, how much do you make it and do you call a push? Does anyone like just shoving it?
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $50/$100 Blinds - 3 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter) SB: $17,794.50 BB: $22,398.00 Hero (BTN): $13,646.00 Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players) <font color="red">Hero raises to $350.00</font>, SB calls $300.00, BB folds Flop: ($800) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, Hero checks Turn: ($800) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $800.00</font>, Hero calls $800.00 River: ($2400) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $1,400.00</font> 
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#2
08-06-2007, 11:18 PM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
I used to always raise this, now I have started calling. I feel like unless u can comfortably call a shove I'd hate raising. Can he really call like 4200 with much you beat? I don't think i'd call like 98 here in his spot.
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#3
08-06-2007, 11:20 PM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
call for sure
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#5
08-06-2007, 11:24 PM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
i would raise it to like 4600 and fold to shove, I think that this guy pays off with a lower flush for sure and probably an eight, maybe worse depending on how he views and you and stuff.
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#6
08-06-2007, 11:26 PM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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i would raise it to like 4600 and fold to shove, I think that this guy pays off with a lower flush for sure and probably an eight, maybe worse depending on how he views and you and stuff. [/ QUOTE ] how many lower flushes in this spot lack a 5, 7, 8, or T of spades in their hand?
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#7
08-06-2007, 11:31 PM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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I used to always raise this, now I have started calling. I feel like unless u can comfortably call a shove I'd hate raising. [/ QUOTE ] Wha? It's not like villain is gonna rebluff you off or shove with a worse flush. At least, I'm not gonna give him credit for being that sick until I have seen some evidence. I think I would make it $4200 and fold to a shove, given description of villain.
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#8
08-06-2007, 11:32 PM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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[ QUOTE ] i would raise it to like 4600 and fold to shove, I think that this guy pays off with a lower flush for sure and probably an eight, maybe worse depending on how he views and you and stuff. [/ QUOTE ] how many lower flushes in this spot lack a 5, 7, 8, or T of spades in their hand? [/ QUOTE ] Yea thats a good point, I still think its a raise tho, I mean this guys not that good, doesnt like to fold, will never bluff-shove, doesn't have a hand that beats you very often, and Ike has a crazy image (at least im assuming, since he usually does).
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#9
08-06-2007, 11:33 PM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i would raise it to like 4600 and fold to shove, I think that this guy pays off with a lower flush for sure and probably an eight, maybe worse depending on how he views and you and stuff. [/ QUOTE ] how many lower flushes in this spot lack a 5, 7, 8, or T of spades in their hand? [/ QUOTE ] Yea thats a good point, I still think its a raise tho, I mean this guys not that good, doesnt like to fold, will never bluff-shove, doesn't have a hand that beats you very often, and Ike has a crazy image (at least im assuming, since he usually does). [/ QUOTE ] k, if hes that bad, u kno whats up
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#10
08-06-2007, 11:33 PM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
how can he pay off with an 8 when your hand is so easily a boat or a flush? and he's kinda spewy. what if, as unlikely as it is, you raise to 4600 and he pushes some cheese. even if you ARE ahead 50% when called, and I dont think you are, unless it's - say - 60% you're not getting anywhere near the overlay you need for giving yourself the chance at losing a won pot, IMO. and i dont see how you can possibly be ahead 60% WHEN CALLED here...
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