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Old 07-07-2007, 06:36 PM
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Default To the Multi-Accounters : some thoughts before this upcoming Sunday

I've been considering making this post for a couple weeks, and I think right now is the ideal time.

Over a year and a half ago, there were many top players who put multiple accounts in the big Party Poker tournaments. It was sketchy. It was clearly at best "treading on a gray line", as I believe Shaniac put it in the big p5s thread on this topic when it first arose.

Well, there is no longer a grey line. There is no excuse. Multi-accounting tournaments is cheating! The sites have all specifically stated that this is cheating. Examples have been made and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been taken from people, accounts banned and more, to make it clear that this is cheating.

I may not be the best person to post this, as it is somewhat hypocritical of me. I'm friends with many who have gotten in trouble in the past for multi-accounting. I've had financial stakes in people who were multi-accounting. I've bought peoples seats deep in tournaments (that I hadn't entered on my account of course) and won. Was this at least mildly unfair? Absolutely. Was it against the rules at the time? No, it definitely was not. I will be completely honest: If entering an MTT on multiple accounts was not prohibited by the sites in their TOCs, there is a decent chance I would be doing it in the big field tournaments right now. I know that I would never play 2 accounts at one table, but who knows whether these other guys would? I don't trust them not to, and I know of a few who have in the past. Every $1k tournament I enter is a few thousand dollars expectation, and I would love to greatly increase my chances at a big win in every major tournament. I'm not one to pass on a big advantage- but that advantage has to be within the rules. Multi-accounting is clearly not within the rules, and I am not going to sit here while I grind a living playing poker while others around me cheat and gain an unfair advantage while hurting my expectation, and do nothing.

I don't ever want to be deep in a tournament again and be up against some top pro who played three accounts and not know its them. And lets face it- they aren't quiet about this, and lots of people know who they are. There is absolutely no reason for the poker community to put up with this. I've gotten deep in massive online MTTs with hundreds of thousands for first and never taken one down once. I'm not going to stand for others having multiple shots and then bragging in my face about how much money they are winning.

That's it. You know who you are, I know who you are, and if you really have the nerve to keep doing this crap out of greed and disrespect for the rules, then you better at least not tell one [censored] person, because you are putting a lot of faith in your peers right now, and not all of them are as considerate and discreet as I am.

-Jeff
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Old 07-07-2007, 06:59 PM
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Agree 1000%
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:09 PM
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:11 PM
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I don't think one's opinion on multi-accounting should change so much just because the rules were changed. It should either be okay or bad in your mind, and I don't think a poker site's decision should effect your morals.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:16 PM
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That's it. You know who you are, I know who you are, and if you really have the nerve to keep doing this crap out of greed and disrespect for the rules, then you better at least not tell one [censored] person, because you are putting a lot of faith in your peers right now, and not all of them are as considerate and discreet as I am.

-Jeff

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If you had some balls you would tell them: "if you continue doing this [censored] I will report you", not "somebody else may, bla bla bla bla bla". You would achieve more with than one sentence on aim than 150 posts in this thread will do. Instead of doing something you are looking for somebody else to do something.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:17 PM
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I don't think one's opinion on multi-accounting should change so much just because the rules were changed. It should either be okay or bad in your mind, and I don't think a poker site's decision should effect your morals.

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I don't really care about morals or any of that crap, as long as no one is outright colluding. But I play online poker for a living, respect the sites' rules, don't want people having an advantage I don't, and want online poker to be legit- so from that perspective it is unethical.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:18 PM
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good post jeff
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:19 PM
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I'm one of the people whothought it was a pretty shady practice to begin with (and by that I mean "obviously unethical"). For people to still be doing it after it's been explicitly made against the rules shows a complete lack of regard for the standards of our profession and for the other players in the game (and call me old-fashioned, but I'm one of the people who believe the ethical standards of poker matter for their own sake).

I think I yelled something about this the other night at O'Shea's; perheaps whomever I was talking to can recap it.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:20 PM
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I agree a few people in vegas I've met I've told them straightup that what they are doing is sooo wrong and they should stop because they won't keep getting away with it. People have too much ego to not brag about winning so and so tourney even when their most common account was out in first hour.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:22 PM
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That's it. You know who you are, I know who you are, and if you really have the nerve to keep doing this crap out of greed and disrespect for the rules, then you better at least not tell one [censored] person, because you are putting a lot of faith in your peers right now, and not all of them are as considerate and discreet as I am.

-Jeff

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If you had some balls you would tell them: "if you continue doing this [censored] I will report you", not "somebody else may, bla bla bla bla bla". You would achieve more with than one sentence on aim than 150 posts in this thread will do. Instead of doing something you are looking for somebody else to do something.

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I'm not reporting anyone. But that doesn't mean news about who is doing what doesn't spread, and that doesn't mean that people won't take a stand and put an end to this practice.

A lot of the people doing this are just young guys looking for money and the glory of a win. If everyone agrees that this practice is unethical and not be allowed, and no one feels safe telling anyone about their multi-accounting conquests, a lot of the glamour of it is gone and maybe people don't want to take the risk anymore. Who wants to risk having ZeeJustin's reputation from online?
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