5/10 Live hand, gutshot straight + fd facing flop overbet...

wpr101 · #1 07-06-2007, 09:44 PM

5/10 at the Venetian. 4 limpers and I limp in the SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Flop comes: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. 2 checks to this guy who bets 80 into this 50 dollar pot. The only read I have on this guy is that he has overbet into a multiway pot twice before; he won both pots so I don't know what his overbet means. Either way I don't give his overbet much respect and I call flop.

Turn (pot 210): Turn is an ace and it goes check/check.

River: is a queen. Now the board is Q62AQ with no flush draw possible. I think about it for a little and lead for 140. I figured that my hand has no showdown value and a missed FD would be in his range. I didn't know if I could get him to fold though, hard to know much about his calling range.

Thoughts on all aspects?

catcher193 · #2 07-06-2007, 09:50 PM

I'd jam the flop, if you are convinced made hands call and only want to fold out better draws bet like $100.

FGators · #3 07-06-2007, 09:52 PM

I'd probably bet 3 bet the flop here against this type of guy. Probably have some FE and you can always get there.

If you've been quiet I'm sure you can rep a set or a better Q.

AAismyfriend · #4 07-06-2007, 09:52 PM

what are stack sizes to start the hand? I'd lead this flop almost always, and if not I'd probably c/r. He has a Q here a lot too I think.

wpr101 · #5 07-06-2007, 09:55 PM

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I'd jam the flop, if you are convinced made hands call and only want to fold out better draws bet like $100.

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Yeah, i strongly considered raising the flop. We had about 200 BB which kind of discouraged me from playing it allin on that flop if he reraises my cr.

I was hoping that 140 instead of 100 could fold out hands like 99 if those were in his range to begin with, but point taken.

wpr101 · #6 07-06-2007, 09:56 PM

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what are stack sizes to start the hand? I'd lead this flop almost always, and if not I'd probably c/r. He has a Q here a lot too I think.

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I'd estimate about 200 BB. Although it was really hard to tell in this game, but $100 bills play and you can't always see them that easily. Probably should have asked though.

KingGordy · #7 07-06-2007, 10:01 PM

I'd probably bet the flop myself, but it probably doesn't matter too much. I would just give up the river. I don't trust a live donk to fold any pair really. It's also possible he was bluffing with A high on the flop and decided to play for pot control once he spiked it on the turn.