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Old 03-23-2007, 10:53 AM
Jman28 Jman28 is offline
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Default Re: Checkcalling with a set again

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wow.

when he bets the river id usually be salivating. might as well never checkraise the river ever if you cant pull the trigger here.

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Honestly, without an image like yours or at least like mine, I think the c/c is not bad. I can see villain folding 2pr a lot. There are way more combos of straights than sets (depending how light he calls preflop).
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Old 03-23-2007, 11:33 AM
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Default Re: Checkcalling with a set again

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wow.

when he bets the river id usually be salivating. might as well never checkraise the river ever if you cant pull the trigger here.

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Honestly, without an image like yours or at least like mine, I think the c/c is not bad. I can see villain folding 2pr a lot. There are way more combos of straights than sets (depending how light he calls preflop).

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I actually agree with Jman here.. if you're not CR-bluffing rivers "the odd time" then I think this is a good c/c. So it's only an automatic-easy-insta-CR for those that do..
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Old 03-23-2007, 12:05 PM
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Default Re: Checkcalling with a set again

I really don't think the river play is bad...
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Old 03-23-2007, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: Checkcalling with a set again

So you are never c/ring the river here? Or I guess, if you do, it is a bluff 100% of the time?
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Old 03-23-2007, 04:21 PM
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Default Re: Checkcalling with a set again

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So you are never c/ring the river here? Or I guess, if you do, it is a bluff 100% of the time?

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No, that's my point. You either do both, or neither, unless you think your opponent is dumb/highly exploitable/won't pick up on these things.
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:58 PM
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Default Re: Checkcalling with a set again

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wow.

when he bets the river id usually be salivating. might as well never checkraise the river ever if you cant pull the trigger here.

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Honestly, without an image like yours or at least like mine, I think the c/c is not bad. I can see villain folding 2pr a lot. There are way more combos of straights than sets (depending how light he calls preflop).

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its early in my first session against the guy, i don't have much of an image and he's never seen me c/r a river before.

my read is that he's very very likely to raise flop with any two pair or set but likely to just call a decent portion of the time with the straight draws. given that plus the fact that he may fold 2 pair and will almost never call with 1 pair, i stand by my assertion that I'm behind more than half the time I'm called.
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Old 03-23-2007, 11:24 PM
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Default Re: Checkcalling with a set again

I dont think we can just start eliminating hands. We know nothing of the players history except hes weak-tight yet a winning pro. With that I count 45 hand that you can beat (two pairs and sets) and 48 hands you cant (straights).

That makes your check-raise about even money...which isnt great. But even if we can eliminate 63, youre still only a ~9-7 favorite to have the best hand. Thats bad.
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Old 03-24-2007, 02:25 AM
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Default Re: Checkcalling with a set again

i don't think it's been mentioned that 64 was double gutted on the flop
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