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Old 03-21-2007, 06:01 AM
ike ike is offline
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Default Grimstarr c/r\'s me on the river

Full Tilt Poker
$25/$50 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
5 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
MP: $5044
CO: $5075
SB: $4525
BB: $6403
Hero (UTG): $6016

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($75, 5 players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $175</font>, MP folds, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls $125

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($375, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $300</font>, BB calls $300

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($975, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">River:</font> 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($975, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $900</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $3,100</font>

I've got some thoughts about this hand but I'll save them for later. What do you think, call or fold? Anyone bet turn?
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Old 03-21-2007, 06:52 AM
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Default Re: Grimstarr c/r\'s me on the river

I don't know what you should do, but I like Grim's line considering his reputation.
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:32 AM
Jason Strasser (strassa2) Jason Strasser (strassa2) is offline
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Default Re: Grimstarr c/r\'s me on the river

fold grimstarr is passive and not so creative
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:59 AM
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Default Re: Grimstarr c/r\'s me on the river

hard one
question is what can U beat
KTs ? dont know grimstarr...
bluff ?

what hand would he check raise on river? i dont think any1 would play that way with boat or str8 (45s)
for me it looks like he has medim pair like 88-99, but still tough decision
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Old 03-21-2007, 08:10 AM
Jason Strasser (strassa2) Jason Strasser (strassa2) is offline
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Default Re: Grimstarr c/r\'s me on the river

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hard one
question is what can U beat
KTs ? dont know grimstarr...
bluff ?

what hand would he check raise on river? i dont think any1 would play that way with boat or str8 (45s)
for me it looks like he has medim pair like 88-99, but still tough decision

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opposite day?
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Old 03-21-2007, 08:17 AM
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Default Re: Grimstarr c/r\'s me on the river

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fold grimstarr is passive and not so creative

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so, 54?

maybe KQ?

i mean, he could have a set and whiff the turn CR and then go for the river CR, i guess.

i would fold too :/
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Old 03-21-2007, 08:40 AM
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Default Re: Grimstarr c/r\'s me on the river

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hard one
question is what can U beat
KTs ? dont know grimstarr...
bluff ?

what hand would he check raise on river? i dont think any1 would play that way with boat or str8 (45s)
for me it looks like he has medim pair like 88-99, but still tough decision

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opposite day?

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what U mean ?

sorry but my english isnt perfect
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Old 03-21-2007, 10:36 AM
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Default Re: Grimstarr c/r\'s me on the river

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hard one
question is what can U beat
KTs ? dont know grimstarr...
bluff ?

what hand would he check raise on river? i dont think any1 would play that way with boat or str8 (45s)
for me it looks like he has medim pair like 88-99, but still tough decision

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opposite day?

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what U mean ?

sorry but my english isnt perfect

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make your time

move zig
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Old 03-21-2007, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: Grimstarr c/r\'s me on the river

Your hand is a little underrepresented by your turn check and you even beat some checkraises all-in for value (don't know if Grimstarr would do that with qk). I don't like doing it, but I think the odds compell you to call.
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:23 AM
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Default Re: Grimstarr c/r\'s me on the river

Looks like 45 mostly, but if you look at heroes betting it looks like he could have nothing.

Continuation bet on flop after a pre-flop raise - his range is still wide

Check on turn - range hasnt changed from flop much, still wide

Bet pot after a check by villain - now his range is mainly closed to a K or air with something like AQ.

From grims perspective it looks as though hero could have missed and the K he thought hero had before becomes unlikely as the 2nd K hits on the river. This is reinforced by heroes check on the turn. So he goes for a big check-raise.

Only problem with check-raising air on river there is hero will mostly call as its an unconventional line and he'll get looked up. So stepping up a level, grim knows hero has a K and when the 2nd K hits on river, he checks knowing full well that hero is betting then check-raising pretty big knowing hero will call with his trips good kicker. So im putting him on 45
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