Steve Forte arrested in possible poker scam

[[Phill]]

You guys really are idiots. As if cheating and stealing is anywhere near the top of the list of worst crimes.

Fwiw, havent read link, only this thread. I seriously doubt that any case involving electronic equipment crossed the line into serious in my opinion. By which i mean physical violence against someone.

[glimmertwin]

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I know this might be tough to believe, but Steve Forte is considered a pioneer in gambling (specifically poker) cheating methods. He has in the past sweated known cheaters to uncover thier methods. So while it might sound bogus this is his standard operating procedure.

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It's not that it sounds bogus, but I thought many of the people who work security were poachers turned gamekeepers? And while there are many magicians who study stuff like slight of hand for many years, it's hard not to imagine that a layperson who devotes years to this stuff may well do so because they have larceny in their hearts.

Also, I'm guessing that there are aren't many bad guys who would take someone along on a job like this unless they'd proven their criminal credentials earlier.

[AJackson]

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It will be interesting to see what comes out.

I don't see much difference between observing a crime with no intention of reporting it and being an active participant in the crime.

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Luckily for the rest of us the law sees a big difference.

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Does it? We're not talking about just happening upon a crime. He was knowingly with a group of criminals who were committing a crime. And if the law does see the two situations significantly different, what's to stop anyone caught up in a similar group situation from claiming they were just observing? I'm not claiming to be an expert, but this situation seems similar to a robbery and one person murders someone and all are charged with murder.

Any why are the 'rest of us' lucky that the law supposedly sees a big difference? Do you often involve yourself with criminals so you can 'observe' a crime in progress?

[Crane]

Why don't we wait for the facts to come out, and then we'll know for sure.

[fleece_me]

Cheating in short card games has been going in hotel rooms since forever. Usually involves a peep/camera set up in one room and surveillance in another close by room.

Short card games = knock poker, tonk, gin, whatever games the casino wont deal.

[cardshark]

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i hope everyone of these thieving pieces of garbage get life in a 3x3x3 cage. and they get fed dog biscuits at their one and only one meal.

and they don't get to shower or shave ever. and it's cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. and no blankets or pillows. they have to sleep on the hard floor.

would serve these thieving scum bags right.

the prison guards should use a blowtorch on them.

burn in hell for cheating people!!!!

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What happened to the fundamental principle, "innocent until proven guilty"?

It would be best to cool off and not jump to conclusions. Journalists are notorious and they always jump to write an article without checking facts. This is why this article doesn't make 100% sense, as has already been pointed out in this thread. And this is why Thomas Jefferson said, "To be truly informed one must learn to completely ignore newspapers."

The only facts are that Steve Forte was arrested and that some high-tech electronic equipment was discovered in a hotel room. Now let see if the prosecutors prove that this equipment was intended to be used in a cheating conspiracy. I also happen to be typing up this post on a machine that is a piece of high-tech electronic equipment, and I regularly bring this piece of high-tech equipment to hotel rooms. So what?

I think it is unfounded to jump to conclusions based on an extremely badly written and badly researched sensational article and start saying that they should all rot in a prison cell. The fact is, everything that is written in this thread is pure speculation. There is nothing immoral about speculating on a public board (as long as it doesn't end up hurting someone,) but if you are trying to say that you are up to the highest moral and ethical standards, which is why you seem to dislike cheats, then you should not be making such statements. A lot of witches have been burned throughout history.

And finally, so many poker players condemn cheating. But since when is gambling such an ethical activity?

[jimmytrick]

Lol, since when has poker been an unethical activity?

[joel2006]

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I will admit though tapping into hole card cameras would be sicko

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Whatever was going on at the Borgata, it certainly couldn't have involved hole card cameras, because the entire $5000 event (including the final table which I watched from the bleachers)was held on the regular tourny (and cash) tables, none of which are equipped with cameras. Also, LOL, at a $5000 buy-in event being "the largest poker event in the town's history"

[cardshark]

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Lol, since when has poker been an unethical activity?

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Well, actually, since the first day it was invented. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Professionalpoker]

Having worked as a director or tech on 60+ poker shows I can tell you that in Vegas it would be pretty tough to tap into the cameras. Prior to the event Gaming commission inspects the setup and during the event casino security places a guard in or just outside the room where the signals are recorded to make sure no one is disseminating information. Generally once a hand is dealt, no one is allowed to leave the area until the hand is finished.