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Old 06-20-2006, 09:31 AM
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Great, so a representative's staff are making decisions based on how they think he would vote. Too bad they aren't the ones that were voted into office.
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Old 06-20-2006, 10:58 AM
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Just giving you the facts, not saying it is how it should be in an ideal world.

Of course, we don't live in an ideal world and given the time constraints on the actual elected official, it is simply necessary to have staff make some decisions of this nature. With 6,000+ pieces of legislation introduced each year (not to mention amendments) staff frequently review this type of stuff.
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Old 06-20-2006, 11:20 AM
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I know I know. Just venting.
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Old 06-20-2006, 12:35 PM
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Plus, in all honesty, after knowing some of the members around here....you want staff making decisions. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]
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Old 06-20-2006, 01:22 PM
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If you can actually talk to him like a person, send him here:

www.OnlineGamblingMythsAndFacts.com

or just read up there yourself.

All of the nonsense and the false problems the politicians put forward are debunked on that site. Check it out.
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Old 06-20-2006, 01:39 PM
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If you can actually talk to him like a person, send him here:

www.OnlineGamblingMythsAndFacts.com

or just read up there yourself.

All of the nonsense and the false problems the politicians put forward are debunked on that site. Check it out.

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I LOLed at the following 'debunking':
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Myth: Online gambling is more likely to attract underage gambling than land-based gambling.

Fact: This is not correct. While underage gambling has been a persistent concern at land-based casinos and lotteries, or with underground American bookies who take bets on credit, the same is not true with online gambling.

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Give me a break. We've had numerous 'stars' of online poker and posters at 2+2 who are/were underage.

This could probably be largely overcome if we regulated the industry and ensured that properly licensed companies ran some hard ID and age checks. But, as it stands now, underage and illegal gambling on the internet is rampant.

B. <-- misdemeanor when I gamble online in NC
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Old 06-20-2006, 01:49 PM
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You think there are a lot of people under 18 playing online? Of those that are, how many are doing it on their parents credit card WITH their parents permission?

Read the rest of it. It's not saying that it doesn't happen, it's saying it's not widepsread, and certainly no more than in land based gambling. This includes not only casinos, but lottery sales.

It also points out a fix for the problem could be what Congress advanced in the COPA. If that technique was an acceptable way to block minor's access to porn, it should be an acceptable way to block their access to gambling.

Did you read the details?

Myth: Online gambling is more likely to attract underage gambling than land-based gambling.
Fact:
This is not correct. While underage gambling has been a persistent concern at land-based casinos and lotteries, or with underground American bookies who take bets on credit, the same is not true with online gambling. Online gambling transactions require some form of banking transaction—whether using a credit card or sending a wire to deposit funds or receiving a check to deposit winnings. Unlike land-based casinos, online operators do not accept cash and do not offer credit. With a system of deposits and payouts via electronic means that most children do not, or should not, have access to, the risk of children gambling online is minimized. Furthermore, online operators in regulated jurisdictions are required to know the identity and age of their customers, and there are effective age-verification tools to ensure children do not access inappropriate online materials.

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United States’ government sponsored studies and numerous experts have concluded that, in general, online transactions can be made safe for children by requiring proof of identity and age, and requiring payment by means of electronic payment, credit card or check. Internet transactions-such as online gambling-can be made safe for children. There is current legislation in Congress that recognizes the effectiveness of age verification tools in making online gambling safe and secure from children. Therefore, if the concern was that children may access online gambling, this concern can be resolved by simply using available and effective age verification tools and requiring all payment systems to be with credit cards or other secure payment systems that are inaccessible to children.

References:
Commission on Child Online Protection (COPA), A Report to Congress (20 October 2000). The report states, among other things, that (1) user-side filtering can be effective in blocking access to harmful Internet content to minors; (2) use of a credit card verification system to access harmful to minors material can be effective to protect minors from accessing some harmful to minors; and (3) age verification systems based on independently-issued identifications is generally effective at preventing access by children.

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The people for these bills spew absolute BS out of their mouths, backed up by nothing. The OGMF site at least backs up its facts, some stronger than others.
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:32 PM
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You think there are a lot of people under 18 playing online?

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It's 21 to gamble most places in the US where it's legal. Yes, I think there are a lot of people under 21 playing online.

That said, I agree that it could be regulated acceptably well on this front (like I said).

The myths site is ok, I just choked on the short version a little bit.

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Of those that are, how many are doing it on their parents credit card WITH their parents permission?

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Irrelevant. State laws setting age limits for gambling, drinking, etc ... are not subject to waiver because the parent is complicit.

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It also points out a fix for the problem could be what Congress advanced in the COPA. If that technique was an acceptable way to block minor's access to porn, it should be an acceptable way to block their access to gambling.

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I agree, this could probably work.

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The people for these bills spew absolute BS out of their mouths, backed up by nothing. The OGMF site at least backs up its facts, some stronger than others.

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I agree, it's certainly better than nothing. Some of their stuff, like for money laundering, looks pretty good.

B.
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Old 06-20-2006, 04:06 PM
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I don't consider 18 underage gambling. When you stated numerous accounts of underage gambling were you referring to 18-21 or under 18?

I bring up the parents to point out that it's really not that easy to do without the parents knowledge. So no need for the government to step in if all of these numbers are low.
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Old 06-20-2006, 04:09 PM
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I don't consider 18 underage gambling.

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Thanks for your opinion. The rest of the country does.
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