hands/hr. in a live game?

[baibj03]

I'm wondering what the general consensus is on how many hands per hour the average HE live full ring game gets in.

Also, what is the general consensus on how many hands a player needs to track to know whether he is a winning player?

[jimmytrick]

37/hr

quarter million

[jjshabado]

I figure 100 hands every 3 hours. Pretty close and easy math.

[Eponymous]

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37/hr

quarter million

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Is this a level? I thought it was more like several thousand hands. So you're saying if you play full time (2000 hrs/yr), you don't know if you're a winning player for over 3 years? And if you have a full time job and can play only 500 hours a year, you don't know if you're a winner for over 13 years? And even that assumes you play the same game at the same stakes for all that time.

[jimmytrick]

I am not saying that lesser amounts won't give you an idea, but you really won't know much after 50-100K.

I think it would be smart to grind a good sample of 200-300K online to see where your game stands before taking the bus to Vegas.

[redfisher]

This has come up several times and there was an article about it, but I can't find it in the archives. If you just want to know if you're a winning player, the hand number is very low (~4k) if you're at a decent actual winrate and are willing to accept some uncertainty. The $250K number is to calculate an actual winrate.

[Jimbo]

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This has come up several times and there was an article about it, but I can't find it in the archives. If you just want to know if you're a winning player, the hand number is very low (~4k) if you're at a decent actual winrate and are willing to accept some uncertainty. The $250K number is to calculate an actual winrate.

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If you actually meant what you just wrote then one single hand that you win is enough to say you are a winning player. That is as long as you are willling to "accept sonme uncertainty".

Jimbo

[jjshabado]

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This has come up several times and there was an article about it, but I can't find it in the archives. If you just want to know if you're a winning player, the hand number is very low (~4k) if you're at a decent actual winrate and are willing to accept some uncertainty. The $250K number is to calculate an actual winrate.

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This may be true if your actual winrate is high (of course we're always accepting uncertainty, its possible to never win with pocket AAs in your entire life). But look at the case where you're a winning player at 0.1BB/hour. Obviously this person won't know they're a winning player until a lot of hands.

The more hands you play the closer you can get to your true winrate. If that number is high you can relatively quickly know you're a winning player, but if its not you can't.

[jeffnc]

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37/hr

quarter million

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Is this a level? I thought it was more like several thousand hands. So you're saying if you play full time (2000 hrs/yr), you don't know if you're a winning player for over 3 years? And if you have a full time job and can play only 500 hours a year, you don't know if you're a winner for over 13 years? And even that assumes you play the same game at the same stakes for all that time.

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Right, it's crazy, but that's how it is.

I'll go so far as to say - you never know if you're a winning player (mathematically). That's because it takes so many hands for the math to work out, that by the time you get there, you're not the same player any more.

[JulioYalil]

i've never played in a casino where they get more than 30 hands/hr. that includes vegas, new orleans, biloxi, puerto rico. the ones here in florida are actually btwn 20-25 hands/hr (i know dealers that only get like 17 hands/hr but those r the worst of the worst).

as for how many hands u need to know if u r a winnin player the true answer is 1. as long as u r up in $ u r a winnin player and nothin else matters. of course take into consideration that the more hands or hrs u have as proof the closer u r to truly knowin if u r a winnin player in the long run. if u still need a specific number then i'd say just pick somethin close to 20k hands online or 500 hrs live and guide urself by that.