Flop situation

Aaron W. · #1 05-08-2007, 08:52 PM

This is a somewhat tight-passive table for 6-max. UTG is very loose (70+ VPIP) and very passive, and Button is slightly loose and passive (30/7). SB has LAG stats preflop (42/27), but I haven't gotten much of a postflop read on him yet. He hasn't gone to showdown too often, but after only 30 hands, there's not too much information that can be drawn from that.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero...

Bilgefisher · #2 05-08-2007, 09:03 PM

With 2 overs a backdoor flush draw and gutshot straight and 2 passive players left to act I would see the turn. The 8 is a dirty overcard imo. It puts 4 to a straight on the board. 5:1 on this board. FWIW I'm fairly tight postflop and don't go far enough with hands. I'm curious if others think this would be a good spot to see the turn for 1 bet.

Gib · #3 05-08-2007, 09:06 PM

relative position is the real killer for me in this hand. But if you don't expect to be raised then I may make the peel here.

Douglas Leslie · #4 05-08-2007, 10:05 PM

In such a amall pot with players still to act behind me I think I fold this. If the pot had been raised pre-flop, I would raise.

Aaron W. · #5 05-09-2007, 02:46 AM

I went ahead with a peel. I figure that I've got 4 gutshot outs, about 1 backdoor flush out, and probably a solid 4 overcard outs. Even though my position is somewhat bad with two players behind me, it's not too bad because I don't expect to get raised often by those players. 5:1 with potential loose-passive callers behind me and 9ish outs and it's worth taking a peek at the turn.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, Button folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero...

Gib · #6 05-09-2007, 02:57 AM

yuck prolly not the best turn, the only thing I can think of is maybe b/f.

Douglas Leslie · #7 05-09-2007, 03:09 AM

Ugh! One of the reasons that I would have folded the flop. Is it +EV to bet here when the pot is only 3.5 BBs? Before betting you have to know what to do if UTG raises or SB check raises. I guess I bet and get ready to fold to any aggression on the basis that the pot size does not justify calling a raise. If UTG raises, I doubt if he will be bluffing given your read. Whether SB could bluff check raise is an unknown at present, but probably not in a pot this small.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #8 05-09-2007, 03:16 AM

raise the flop.

as played bet the turn.

Aaron W. · #9 05-09-2007, 03:32 AM

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I thought about that, but I didn't think there was enough in the pot to make it an expensive play. I'm happy to peel and fold the turn UI.

fretelöo · #10 05-09-2007, 06:15 AM

I was gonna say "raise flop" as well... [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

As played, I b/f. A 7 doesn't help us anymore, so we're probably drawing to 2-3 outs if behind. Though I have this feeling SB is going to c/r us more often than not...