My struggle against my inner calling station, part 2

[Thomas Newton]

I wasn't all together serious.

Just pointing out that pot odds aren't the whole picture.

Rephrase your question - would you like to win an extra 2.2%?

[DakotaKid]

Assuming we can agree that this is EV=0, or at least very close to it, there is also value to calling (and if you get to showdown) just so someone can say "What a donkey, he called with just a gutshot draw!!!" Then maybe you get a big donkey note from that guy and maybe he value bets you thin from now on.

Plus, I wholeheartedly think that "...because it's more fun to see the hand through" is a great reason to call these spots.

On an EV scale, it could mean that having fun lets me extend my sessions 10% longer than I'd otherwise play. That 10% of lost time is likely not going to greatly interrupt the rest of my life, but I've effectively made 9.9% more money (assuming these kinds of 'mistakes' add up to 0.1% net loss overall).

[kerowo]

You never have to justify the gamboool. Just understand when you are on the gamboool and when you aren't. It's not such a slippery slop to get from calling EV =0 situations just for fun and calling -EV situations just for fun. No judgements, just a warning.

[DakotaKid]

I agree, but FWIW, I doubt I have the capacity to truly spot a 0 EV situation with a whole lot of accuracy.

My goal I suppose is for the sum total of "meh, it's close..." decisions to cancel each other out.

[bung]

[ QUOTE ]
I've realised that I'm calling down too many weak hands - I'm rarely over 50 % W@SD. This is a typically tough spot. Inside straight draw with one overcard on the turn. Pot offers 5:1.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+2 bets</font>, CO calls, Hero...?

[/ QUOTE ]

Fold turn. You don't have IO to play your hand even with 4 outs. I don't think we can count more than 3.5 outs here.

[bung]

[ QUOTE ]
as in, we are getting roughly the exact correct odds to call the turn bet, after factoring in our potential outs, implied odds, chance of being ahead, etc etc.

basically im saying it matters very little if we call or fold this turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're giving yourself 5 outs E?

[Xhad]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
6 outs? I don't count 2 for our overcard given how close together the board is. I'd have folded.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's likely offset by your implieds if you river the nuts.

[/ QUOTE ]

If we value our hand at five outs you don't even break even if your opponent always bet/calls when you hit your straight. And I think five outs is generous.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If it's EV 0 then you might as well call, because calling is more enjoyable than folding. If you fold you're sure to lose the hand, but if you call you might win. If it's EV 0 then it's "free" to call so call because winning hands is more enjoyable than losing.

[/ QUOTE ]

OK so if EVERY hand you play, you have 1 out on the turn to win the hand. So you are a 45:1 dog to win. The pot lays you 46:1- so you have an "edge". You're calling every time right?

[/ QUOTE ]

w.... t.... f....

of course i am. why wouldnt you?