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09-25-2007, 10:55 PM
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I learned this from bakes
Tilt 30r. Villain is 16/6/5 over 200 hands. I close to insta min 3 bet him here. His raise just seems like such [censored].
Full Tilt Poker No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t150/t300 (Ante: t25) 8 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t16950 UTG+1: t10945 MP1: t9695 Hero: t20650 CO: t7025 Button: t6720 SB: t9560 BB: t13955 Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t800</font>, 3 folds, BB calls t500 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1450)</font>. Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t1950, 2 players) BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t1200</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to t2600</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t5200</font> 
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#3
09-25-2007, 11:09 PM
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Re: I learned this from bakes
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pray he has no hand reading skills [/ QUOTE ] Well one thing to think about is he has no idea i'm thinking/2p2. When some random min 3 bets my CR it turns out to be a huge hand a ton. Even a bunch of the p5's guys do this with huge hands, happened to me earlier today.
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#5
09-26-2007, 12:44 AM
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Re: I learned this from bakes
I think this is a similar similar situation to the hand I posted earlier today that you commented on Bond although you are a little deeper into the tourney. I think your line is very interesting. Its like one of those stupid minreraises preflop when they always have aces.
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#7
09-26-2007, 04:51 AM
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Re: I learned this from bakes
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yeti theorem, gg [/ QUOTE ] well, yeah, but he's still folding air like every time. Alternative line is to flat it and shove over the turn bet/ bet turn if he checks. It gets extra from air and is more believable as a big pair/might get something like 66 to fold. The danger is that he probably has six outs if he has air. This got me in trouble in the 530 wcoop when I flatted a min checkraise w/ 87 on a 999 board. I though it would be easier to get 66-88 to fold with that line. Ace on the turn [censored] everything up because I lost all credibility for having the hands I was planning to represent (although this probably wouldn't have mattered if he didn't have an ace, unless he was better than I though he was), but I still bet after he checked and lost more to AT. The threebet would have won the pot, and a couple people I talked to about it thought it was the better line, but I still think flatting is a viable alternative. the interesting thing about AK is in a sense, you're calling/raising for value (but not really, since you're rarely seeing a showdown), since most of the hands you are getting to fold are behind. It's more about taking the bluff opportunity away from worse hands than getting better hands to fold.
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#8
09-26-2007, 07:38 AM
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Re: I learned this from bakes
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[ QUOTE ] yeti theorem, gg [/ QUOTE ] well, yeah, but he's still folding air like every time. Alternative line is to flat it and shove over the turn bet/ bet turn if he checks. It gets extra from air and is more believable as a big pair/might get something like 66 to fold. The danger is that he probably has six outs if he has air. This got me in trouble in the 530 wcoop when I flatted a min checkraise w/ 87 on a 999 board. I though it would be easier to get 66-88 to fold with that line. Ace on the turn [censored] everything up because I lost all credibility for having the hands I was planning to represent (although this probably wouldn't have mattered if he didn't have an ace, unless he was better than I though he was), but I still bet after he checked and lost more to AT. The threebet would have won the pot, and a couple people I talked to about it thought it was the better line, but I still think flatting is a viable alternative. the interesting thing about AK is in a sense, you're calling/raising for value (but not really, since you're rarely seeing a showdown), since most of the hands you are getting to fold are behind. It's more about taking the bluff opportunity away from worse hands than getting better hands to fold. [/ QUOTE ] I like this as a bluff line - flat call flop and shove turn. You're like... never re-raising a 9 here and I'm not even sure what you're re-raising on this board, so like... don't? Edit to add that this is very similar to a hand I played in a live tournament once when I ended up stacking off with 99 on a TTx board to TJo... So yeah, some people do actually take your line with a 9, but not anyone with half a brain (oh and screw Yeti Theorem?) So yeh, it might work because idiots do actually play like that sometimes, but you better hope to god villain thinks you're a random, and isn't a thinking player himself
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