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10-09-2007, 02:44 AM
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Re: Watch Out For Ron Paul
"The US government held citizens for long periods of time without charges or trial."
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#153
10-09-2007, 04:44 AM
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I propose a new campaign strategy for RP: Neo-con bloggers hate me the most! [/ QUOTE ] Ron Paul wins another straw poll.
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#154
10-09-2007, 05:14 AM
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Here's a list of freedoms I don't have that people in other countries do for better or for worse: 1. Copy digital music (is it theft if I wouldn't have paid for it anyway?) 2. Prostitution 3. Fully nude, alcohol serving strip clubs 4. speeding 5. drugs 6. drinking a beer in public 7. drinking a beer in the passenger seat of someones moving car 8. avoiding taxes when I am living overseas 9. having more than $10,000 in an overseas bank account without reporting it 10. gambling on the internet 11. scalping tickets 12. cockfights, dogfights, bullfights 13. gay marriage [/ QUOTE ] These rights were taken away since 9/11? I don't believe you.
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#155
10-09-2007, 05:17 AM
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*FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations. *FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once- public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions. *FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation. *RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes. *FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation. *RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial. *RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them. [/ QUOTE ] These rights are very much still in effect, thanks to the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments, to name a few.
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#156
10-09-2007, 05:21 AM
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These rights are very much still in effect, thanks to the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments, to name a few. [/ QUOTE ] You do realize that just because a law is on the books, that doesn't mean it gets enforced, right?
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#157
10-09-2007, 05:21 AM
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[ QUOTE ] The "freedom to ride the subway, unfettered from any reasonable random search." I have to admit, this is the first time I've heard that asserted. [/ QUOTE ] Reasonable? Says you. [/ QUOTE ] What say the courts? [ QUOTE ] The US government held citizens for long periods of time without charges or trial. So yes, your cranium still appears to be extremely thick. [/ QUOTE ] "Citizens" so far has been one example, and he was a terrorist, and in that case, habeas corpus prevailed, and he was given a fair trial and convicted. [ QUOTE ] Did Rumsfeld go to prison after losing that case? [/ QUOTE ] No, the terrorist did.
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#158
10-09-2007, 05:24 AM
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when I was in Vegas last summer, I had to throw out $25 or so worth of gels, soaps, toothpastes, and the ilk which were supposed to make me look beautiful, but apparently in a heightened state of terror alert, may have been destructive. The feds weren't letting that [censored] anywhere near an airplane. [/ QUOTE ] So we've lost the "right to carry hair gel onto an airplane". Sheesh, if only the founding fathers could have forseen to put that obvious basic human right into the constitiution.
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#159
10-09-2007, 05:26 AM
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And since all terrorists wear name-tags, there's no chance an innocent person could ever be wrongfully accused. And since that's not a danger, government should be free to pick up anyone they think is a terrorist and hold them without charges or access to representation for as long as they please. Liberty and justice for all... [/ QUOTE ] Except that the government isn't able to pick up and hold american citizens for however long the want without charges. Habeas corpus, ftw.
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