More 20/180 AK Nonsense

JCool · #1 06-20-2006, 12:25 AM

In the few hands played villan has already limped several times showing down Axo, Q7o. On the Q7 hand he flopped a 7 and proceeded to call all the way down. On the Ax hand he flopped trips, slowplayed and made a small value bet on the river.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t1420)
BB (t1760)
UTG (t900)
UTG+1 (t2390)
MP1 (t1270)
MP2 (t1470)
Hero (t2740)
CO (t1560)
Button (t1430)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t80, 3 folds, BB calls t60, MP1 folds.

Flop: (t190) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t100, Hero calls t100.

Turn: (t390) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t200, BB calls t200.

River: (t790) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t200, BB raises to t1180, Hero sighs.

Bakes · #2 06-20-2006, 12:39 AM

Butchered, come on now, you have the read and everything.

1. Raise more preflop, he's limping with trash cards make him pay to see a flop. 80 is just not enough, I would go with 100 or 120, you know he's going to call so why not give him the worst of it?

2. No free cards!! He could EASILY be on Ax here waiting to stack off, but he could actually have 56 and have a gutshot.

3. When you get to the turn, bet more, no obvious draws got there and you rate to be still in front a majority of the time. Bet 350.

4. Why are you betting 200 on the river? Because you don't know what else to do? Because you don't think he'll call much more? Make a real bet, although you would never get to this spot if you put in more money preflop, on the flop, and on the turn.

JohnFR · #3 06-20-2006, 01:10 AM

Raise flop to 400? call push, and if on the turn he checks move allin?

MeanGreenTT · #4 06-20-2006, 01:44 PM

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Raise flop to 400?

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Balze · #5 06-20-2006, 01:59 PM

You just let him suck out with A3 huh... anyways... quit being a vaj and make him call some real bets. This type of player is not trying to stop and go (he probably doesn't even know what it means), so he's made something of the flop (most likely top pair middle kicker, since that fits his calling range). He definitely doesn't have 2pr, because he'd slow play that.

Don't slow play TPTK. Make him pay for his lower kicker, don't give him odds to draw out on you when you're calling his raise on the end.

I'd say make it 400 on the flop, and then push the turn. It'll be a big enough pot that he'll call with his A3 so he can suck out on you with a nice river.

McMelchior · #6 06-20-2006, 02:04 PM

PF raise - fine. No reason to raise more than 4xBB here.

Flop - WTF? You MUST raise here to a) make him pay to see the next card, and b) learn if he likes his hand at all. After Villian's bet there t270 in the pot - I'd make it t400 most of the time. If he calls and check the turn I probably check behind, if he pushes I can fold.

mlagoo · #7 06-20-2006, 02:07 PM

I would raise a bit more preflop, but 80 isn't really bad. And I'm only raising more because I think they'll call more, and I probably have the best hand.

I think calling the flop every now and then is fine. It's a fairly drawless board, let him "put you on QQ."

However, I think you've gotta bet the turn harder. Remember that right now you're playing with effective stacks of almost 100xBB. Half-pot bets aren't really gonna do it. I would bet something like 300 on the turn.

I also hate your river bet. If you want to value bet, do it -- bet like 600. FWIW I think you should value bet here because I think there are a whole host of hands that will pay you off. If you had bet 600 I think you would have to call the push (if it came).

Here, I dunno. You should probably fold the river.

I really don't mind your play up until the river, although, as I said, I like a bigger turn bet.

Balze · #8 06-20-2006, 02:15 PM

I was oscillating between a bigger turn bet (~600) and AI on the turn, but I think AI on the turn is better because you'd leave villian with 600 left and a pot of 2200, which he's certainly calling that river... though, I guess that's what you want him to do with his AT...

mlagoo · #9 06-20-2006, 02:32 PM

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I was oscillating between a bigger turn bet (~600) and AI on the turn, but I think AI on the turn is better because you'd leave villian with 600 left and a pot of 2200, which he's certainly calling that river... though, I guess that's what you want him to do with his AT...

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erm.

the pot's only like 400 on the turn -- you want to effectively bet ~1400?

blockafor · #10 06-20-2006, 02:50 PM

I think the hero's play is fine (and yes, gotta fold the river). Bet too much and you scare away that Ax. Just don't bet so small that he is correctly chasing his 3-outer.

Why the need for 600 on the river? I highly doubt that betting 600 vs. betting 200 is going to alter whether the villain comes over the top or not. By betting 200, you get called more by someone wanting to look you up and lose less when raised.