NL400 - AA OOP

pterodactyl_ · #1 06-03-2007, 12:56 PM

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($412.00)
UTG+1 ($394.50)
MP1 ($291.31)
MP2 ($643.00)
MP3 ($200.00)
CO ($533.50)
Button ($1197.25)
Hero ($615.50)
BB ($392.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $4, 3 folds, MP3 calls $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $25, 1 fold, UTG calls $21, MP3 calls $21.

Flop: ($79) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $55, UTG raises to $110, MP3 folds, Hero ??

Villain is 30/10ish over only 20 or so hands. I hate minraises.

joesector · #2 06-03-2007, 01:30 PM

I'm laying this down. This is a push/fold decision for me, and too much of the villain's limp-call pf range is way ahead in my opinion...

pterodactyl_ · #3 06-03-2007, 01:49 PM

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None of you with any opinions on this?

MTBlue · #4 06-03-2007, 01:50 PM

The entire full ring community is going to to tell you to fold this on the flop. However I disagree, if you fold this on the flop you are folding every single raising hand out of the blind except AK of spades and AQ of spades. This is really really exploitable because to bluff raise the villain needs to be successful less than 50% of the time (instead he is successful very close to 100%).

Given he's utg I think you need to consider that he may have KK or QQ along with some spade draws and of course sets. I would generally call the flop and reevaluate the turn. (I think pushing is too brash vs an unknown relatively competent player).

bottomset · #5 06-03-2007, 02:10 PM

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The entire full ring community is going to to tell you to fold this on the flop. However I disagree, if you fold this on the flop you are folding every single raising hand out of the blind except AK of spades and AQ of spades. This is really really exploitable because to bluff raise the villain needs to be successful less than 50% of the time (instead he is successful very close to 100%).

Given he's utg I think you need to consider that he may have KK or QQ along with some spade draws and of course sets. I would generally call the flop and reevaluate the turn. (I think pushing is too brash vs an unknown relatively competent player).

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yeah, I was thinking I really don't want to fold here, but Im not sure I like calling too much either

a spot where all the options suck but I think calling sucks the least

pterodactyl_ · #6 06-03-2007, 03:24 PM

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Given he's utg I think you need to consider that he may have KK or QQ along with some spade draws and of course sets. I would generally call the flop and reevaluate the turn. (I think pushing is too brash vs an unknown relatively competent player).

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You really see KK/QQ limp/calling UTG a lot? Doesn't seem like that is really a big portion of his range.

zolih · #7 06-03-2007, 03:50 PM

what about with call and lead small on the turn (about 100$) ? most of the players at bodog would just calls this weakbet with 55,66,draw 99+ , if he raises you fold.

CharlieHustle · #8 06-03-2007, 04:16 PM

Would a reraise be appropriate here?

IMO I would shove since the villian could have a flush or straight draw or 99, 1010, JJ. I don't think a player can assume a set or two pair here. But I am fairly new to NL.

Raised2Win · #9 06-03-2007, 04:27 PM

folding this situation doesn't make u exploitable. THere's number of reasons why fold. Texture of the flop is very bad for UTGs limp call min raise flop line. I dont blame u for folding this and I doubt it makes u exploitable,

if we start talking about being exploited, doesn't every player with small pair from UTG exploit u if u give them your stack with these flops everytime.

If u don't want to give up, I would say calling is the best option if u are not sure who your opponent is.

bottomset · #10 06-03-2007, 05:47 PM

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folding this situation doesn't make u exploitable.

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it makes a bluff on his part MEGA MEGA MEGA +EV as if you fold AA with the bdfd you fold the other overpairs, so that leaves just 2-3 combos of hands left AK[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] AQ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] AJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] maybe 88

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if we start talking about being exploited, doesn't every player with small pair from UTG exploit u if u give them your stack with these flops everytime.

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not really, the point isn't you can't get stacked here with AA, its about your range he has to average about getting in 9x the preflop call postflop vs your range