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Old 09-25-2007, 09:26 PM
Q.. Q.. is offline
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Default Re: $27 15/30 Hit Set Villain Shoves Turn Can I Call to Ship It?

I don't understand call on the flop, just push it there. Only reason to call flop i can think of is that you think he folds flop ,but pushes turn, so he pushes turn, and you fold...
And really for a flush draw thats really strange and expensive check raise play, i agree that its usually 2 pairs which we are well ahead on the turn.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: $27 15/30 Hit Set Villain Shoves Turn Can I Call to Ship It?

I would push after the CR post flop. Agree with others there that as played it's a call on the turn...CR with a flush draw is a tough read to make.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:23 PM
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Default Re: $27 15/30 Hit Set Villain Shoves Turn Can I Call to Ship It?

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3bet the flop, call on the turn. and take a pill to get rid of MonstersUnderTheBed-ITIS

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Old 09-26-2007, 12:29 PM
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Default Re: $27 15/30 Hit Set Villain Shoves Turn Can I Call to Ship It?

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Thoughts on all streets please:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t1140)
BB (t1490)
UTG (t1565)
Hero (t1370)
MP1 (t1550)
MP2 (t1460)
MP3 (t1490)
CO (t1510)
Button (t1925)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t120</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t390</font>, BB folds, Hero calls t270.

Turn: (t900) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t720 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds

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On the flop, you have to re-raise all-in. You have flopped a set. You will occasionally be against a higher set or a silly straight but that is more than offset by the times you are up against a drawing hand that will not have the correct odds to call your push. But they will call. Profit.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:29 PM
malnek malnek is offline
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Default Re: $27 15/30 Hit Set Villain Shoves Turn Can I Call to Ship It?

i dont think turn is too scary...Kh is much worse than Ah...this is almost never a flush
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:29 PM
Shillx Shillx is offline
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Default Re: $27 15/30 Hit Set Villain Shoves Turn Can I Call to Ship It?

The villain has TPGK or random two pairs most of the time and he's calling your push like always.

If by random two pairs you really mean a straight then I totally agree. You have to go with it since you are getting 1.36:1 on the flop shove but your equity is just above 50% against reasonable ranges (say any 2-pair/any pair + straight draw/AT, KQ &amp; KT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/straight/set). You just have to expect to see a straight about 40% of the time in this spot.

Edit: You have to call the turn getting 2.25:1. You have over 35% equity against a straight.
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