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Old 08-23-2007, 09:44 AM
Baintz Baintz is offline
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Default NL50: A9s in rr pot OOP. Lets do it by decison by decision

I'm running bad, and resultingly playing pretty poorly recently, making bad plays left right and centre. Would love some advice here as my bad run is clearly affecting my thinking.

Villain is 26/23/3 over 40ish hands. He's been very active in CO and button - att. to steal is 45%.
Other than that no reads, he's pretty much picked up his pots pre or with c-bets.

I've been tight, have 3-bet him once before from BB and he folded.


Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $50.59
Hero (BB): $107.99
UTG: $65.05
CO: $50.00
BTN: $34.24

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, CO calls $5.00

I think I'm way ahead of his range pre, so opt to 3 bet. Does anyone prefer to call pre, planning on c/r a lot of flops instead?


Flop: ($14.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero ???</font>


Hmmm, so I hit, and am likely WA/WB. Betting here may fold out a lot of hands I beat, but if I check and he bets I hate calling and getting to the turn in these spots where I have no idea where I am.
A c/r turns my hand into a bluff obviously, but check/check wouldn't be so bad.

So, who bets and who checks?
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Old 08-23-2007, 10:36 AM
Pokerdemic Pokerdemic is offline
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Default Re: NL50: A9s in rr pot OOP. Lets do it by decison by decision

If you are gonna 3bet there OOP, then I think you have to bet this flop and represent AK. I think taking the pot down now with TPNK is a good thing. What other flop were you hoping for (besides one with two clubs)? I bet $12.
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Old 08-23-2007, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: NL50: A9s in rr pot OOP. Lets do it by decison by decision

This is why 3betting with A9 really sucks
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Old 08-23-2007, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: NL50: A9s in rr pot OOP. Lets do it by decison by decision

I don't really particularly like the 3-bet, but I guess I don't 3-bet light enough, so I'm not sure. But like you said I would hate to call a bet on the flop and have no clue about the hand. B/F the flop if he calls I would be done with the hand.
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Old 08-23-2007, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: NL50: A9s in rr pot OOP. Lets do it by decison by decision

3-betting middle aces sucks. 3-betting a pair or a SC is much better, if you want to 3-bet loose.
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Old 08-23-2007, 11:02 AM
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Default Re: NL50: A9s in rr pot OOP. Lets do it by decison by decision

As played I'd be happy to take the pot down now - bet between 10$ and 14$. If villain calls/raises I would be done with that hand. If he shoves I would think about calling, putting him on QQ or KK.
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Old 08-23-2007, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: NL50: A9s in rr pot OOP. Lets do it by decison by decision

c/c and c/r are both good options. If he's aggressive you can just c/c it down.

c/c&gt;c/r&gt;bet

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Old 08-23-2007, 11:08 AM
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Default Re: NL50: A9s in rr pot OOP. Lets do it by decison by decision

Bet $10
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Old 08-23-2007, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: NL50: A9s in rr pot OOP. Lets do it by decison by decision

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c/c and c/r are both good options. If he's aggressive you can just c/c it down.

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meh you might pick up an extra bet but checking here i guess. pretty much anything that calls a flop bet you are behind.

hate passive lines like this but w/e
I prob just make standard c-bet here but there is some extra value though harder to play lines here.
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Old 08-23-2007, 12:10 PM
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Default Re: NL50: A9s in rr pot OOP. Lets do it by decison by decision

OK, the general consensus would be to bet the flop, which I agree with, I'd rather bet than check call.

Speedlimits, you advocated a c/r on flop. Why? Surely he folds all worse and calls with better. It makes the hand easier to play but is it most +EV?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $50.59
Hero (BB): $107.99
UTG: $65.05
CO: $50.00
BTN: $34.24

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, CO calls $5.00

Flop: ($14.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8.00</font>, CO calls $8.00

Turn: ($30.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero ???</font>

Betsize on flop OK? He's obviously not folding better aces, and a smaller bet may encourage a float from QQ/JJ who is seeing what I do on turn. I'd make the same bet with AK fwiw.

Is the only real option here check fold? What if he bets small when I check?
Any sort of bet pot commits me, so maybe bet small and hope he shoves QQ/JJ with a dimaond? Or is that just a foolish way to stack off to AK?
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