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11-26-2007, 10:45 AM
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63o - hand vs Private Joker
Private Joker raises. 4 callers. I call with 63o, because stox says to call with any 2 here, and because I am drinking a corona.
Flop JT3 2 spades. I check. PJ bets. 2 callers. I call. Turn is an offsuit 6. I check. PJ bets. 1 caller. I CR. PJ 3 bets. Ultra fishy lady calls. I...? 
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#2
11-26-2007, 11:42 AM
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Re: 63o - hand vs Private Joker
i don't know pj's playing style but have seen it described as solid and it doesn't seem like he'd b/3b the turn with anything you beat here really? would he play a huge spade draw hand this way or aj or aa?
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#3
11-26-2007, 11:49 AM
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Re: 63o - hand vs Private Joker
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i don't know pj's playing style but have seen it described as solid and it doesn't seem like he'd b/3b the turn with anything you beat here really? would he play a huge spade draw hand this way or aj or aa? [/ QUOTE ] Well given that if he does have AA, he shouldn't really put me on much he beats except I would play a turned pair+flushdraw like this. With an OESFD, I would CR on the flop 100%. If he has AA, he could be vainly trying to KO the lady's draw, but I think he may have known that wouldn't happen, and that his equity wouldn't be positive vs me.
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#5
11-27-2007, 04:22 AM
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Re: 63o - hand vs Private Joker
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[ QUOTE ] I would play a turned pair+flushdraw like this. [/ QUOTE ] well that sure is bad. [/ QUOTE ] PokerBob-- Is this really that bad? LP can easily have garbage and PJ can easily have AK/AQ. [Insert thing about fractions of bets and big pots.] BTW I'm legitimately asking this question, not being passive-aggressive. I'm not sure it's viable but every so often you induce a fold from a live or even better hand, sometimes you make money immediately, and you rarely lose much. I guess getting 3bet by a set would be unpleasant, but c'mon, whoever flops a set? --Nate EDIT: Maybe the key distinction to make re: your post is that between clearly wrong and very wrong?
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#6
11-27-2007, 04:36 AM
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Re: 63o - hand vs Private Joker
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PokerBob-- Is this really that bad? LP can easily have garbage and PJ can easily have AK/AQ. [Insert thing about fractions of bets and big pots.] [/ QUOTE ] If PJ does indeed have AK/AQ he may (a) not even bet it on the turn and (b) ain't folding it to a c/r.
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#7
11-27-2007, 05:42 AM
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Re: 63o - hand vs Private Joker
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[ QUOTE ] I would play a turned pair+flushdraw like this. [/ QUOTE ] well that sure is bad. [/ QUOTE ] no it really isn't. it's almost breakeven equity wise and it might buy me a fold on the river VS pj.
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#8
11-27-2007, 05:43 AM
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Re: 63o - hand vs Private Joker
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would play a turned pair+flushdraw like this. [/ QUOTE ] well that sure is bad. [/ QUOTE ] no it really isn't. it's almost breakeven equity wise and it might buy me a fold on the river VS pj. [/ QUOTE ] PJ never (or very very rarely) folds a better hand here. What does he think you have when you take this line that beats one pair? there isn't much here that he can give you that beats him. when that is the case and the pot is big, good players don't fold.
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#9
11-27-2007, 05:47 AM
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Re: 63o - hand vs Private Joker
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would play a turned pair+flushdraw like this. [/ QUOTE ] well that sure is bad. [/ QUOTE ] no it really isn't. it's almost breakeven equity wise and it might buy me a fold on the river VS pj. [/ QUOTE ] its bad. PJ has precisely top pair or better or KsQs here always.
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#10
11-27-2007, 05:53 AM
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Re: 63o - hand vs Private Joker
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would play a turned pair+flushdraw like this. [/ QUOTE ] well that sure is bad. [/ QUOTE ] no it really isn't. it's almost breakeven equity wise and it might buy me a fold on the river VS pj. [/ QUOTE ] assuming the other player has a clubless draw (which is the best possible scenario other than her having absolutely nothing), we get this. bleh. Board: Jc Td 3c 6s Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 33.332% 33.33% 00.00% 37976060 0.00 { Tc8c } Hand 1: 57.144% 57.15% 00.00% 65107010 0.00 { AdAh } Hand 2: 09.524% 09.52% 00.00% 10851232 0.00 { KhQs } or, if we did indeed turn a pair with the nut FD, we get this. again, bleh. Board: Jc Td 3c 6s Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 26.192% 26.19% 00.00% 13188918 0.00 { Ac6c } Hand 1: 59.517% 59.52% 00.00% 29969544 0.00 { KdKs } Hand 2: 14.290% 14.29% 00.00% 7195716 0.00 { KhQs }
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