A standard decision in sb.

[Suwalski]

6handed NLHE game.
you are playing 23/20/4 and villain is similar. You are sb villain is bb.

everyone folds.
You open in the sb with a pocketpair to 4bb.
villain 3bets to 14bb.
Hero does what?
Call with all PPs?
How high does our PP has to be to call his raise.

[thac]

sigh.

[Aschweinsteiger]

i 4bet JJ+, probably call with 1010,99,88,77 and maybe fold a worse pair

[irunnotgood]

muck it, 77-TT is a more interesting spot.

[BigPoppa]

You can't call a 3bet for set value OOP here. The implied odds just aren't there. If Villain is 3betting a PP, he may not stack off if overcards hit the flop. If he's 3betting something like AK, he won't stack off if he misses the flop.

My question would be "what do we do with JJ/TT/AQ here?" Those hands are ahead of BB's likely 3betting range, but are crushed by the hands that will call or shove a 4bet.

I really, really suck playing OOP in 3bet pots with a hand like 99/TT/JJ.

[Unknown Soldier]

i muck 8s pretty much always. That hand sucks so much in 3b pots oop (and obv lower pairs) 99/TT depends really

[Suwalski]

Sorry, but i would like to have some more discussion on this.
As mentioned villains 3bet range is incredibly wide and we can't set-mine + we're OOP. We need to play our PP for "handvalue". Often we will face 2 if not 3 barrels of action. Most often our hand will not be able to stand the heat.
Should we just complete with the lower PPs instead of raising them?
Sorry im pretty confused in this spot.

Btw. Great post thac. Your post really add some depth to this discussion.

My homeboy plato would like to tell you something.

"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something".

[Suigin406]

^^US put it fairly well, he's prolly a bit looser in a bvb war, i call with 99+

[5thStreetHog]

"Should we just complete with the lower PPs instead of raising them?"

No,you have to bet here.No one is arguing that,just that calling the reraise has little value.

[The Hag]

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Sorry, but i would like to have some more discussion on this.
As mentioned villains 3bet range is incredibly wide and we can't set-mine + we're OOP. We need to play our PP for "handvalue". Often we will face 2 if not 3 barrels of action. Most often our hand will not be able to stand the heat.
Should we just complete with the lower PPs instead of raising them?
Sorry im pretty confused in this spot.

Btw. Great post thac. Your post really add some depth to this discussion.

My homeboy plato would like to tell you something.

"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something".

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I think Thac's sigh was legitimate.

I've read the OP at least 18 times, and I'm surprised at all the 'serious' responses to this post when you haven't even said how many BB's deep you are.

This is the most important piece of information which you haven't included.

So before you start digging at someone sighing to your post, maybe you could check it has all the relevant info for someone to be able to help you...?